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Actors Who Sing and Singers Who Can't Act

I just wanted to get others' opinions on this subject, do you believe that a person should have a substantial voice to perform in a musical but cannot act very well? Or do you think actors who have an average (or less than average for that matter) voice should be given a chance if they can knock people's socks off in their acting? I think people call this "acting a song", not just singing it.

I wanted to bring this up, partly because I am not the greatest singer, and also because I've watched two revivals of Company and two actors, Raul Esparza and Adrian Lester perform one of my favorite songs and fave Sondheim songs, "Being Alive". While Esparza has a unique, beautiful voice with range, Mr. Lester has a unique voice as well...that sounds like Kermit the Frog sometimes. These are both performances:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc_n1KX1bWc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBBPKedba5o&feature=related

Would you rather go see Esparza or Lester? What's your opinion?

Personally, I like Adrian Lester's Bobby very much, and it's a nuanced performance and I like Raul Esparza's very well (his angry "mock me" is a surprise) too. But if I wanted to listen to "Being Alive" casually on my iPod, I would want to listen to Mr. Esparza. But I would go see Mr. Lester, watching him is a treat. A song in a musical is much more than getting the keys right.

If I were a woman, I'd marry Stephen Joshua Sondheim. But then again, he's gay, so.... "They say the unexamined life is not worth living. But what if the examining becomes your life? Is that living or just procastinating?" - Carrie Bradshaw "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts...." - William Shakespeare

Updated On: 4/5/09 at 10:27 PM

#2

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I feel like the example you picked isn't the best, because Raul's performance is NOTHING if not nuanced. He's an incredibly detailed performer. He certainly does more than "just get the keys right," as you put it.

In general, I prefer an actor with an imperfect voice to an amazing singer who's boring to watch because they can't act. But when you get right down to it, if someone just can't hold a tune, it's going to be painful no matter how good their acting is.

Of course, the best of both worlds is an actor who sings well. (I personally put Raul into this category.)
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It is my personal pet peeve to watch singers who can't act. You can have the greatest voice in the world, but if you can't sell it...I won't buy it.
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I watched a special on Sondheim one time and he said he would much rather have an actor who sings than a singer who acts. Look at some of the people who have won Tony's- Rex Harrison and Richard Harris- both were not strong singers. Natasha Richardson- who I miss dearly, was not the greatest singer in the world but boy- could she sell a song! She was so engaging! I also hate watching people on stage who cannot dance at all.
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Many people thought Linda Eder was a horrid actress in J&H, but man, did she belt out those melodies and set the bar high.

I would much rather have a better singer who can't act, or at least not as well. But that's just me, and I seem to be in the minority.
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My school always casts singers who can't act.

I'm an actor who sings, so clearly I'm opposed to this-- but I'm biased. re: Actors Who Sing and Singers Who Can't Act
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I think Taryn puts it the best. Just to add on, if you have a great voice, that's great. But if you're not emoting anything through your performance, I'm bored. I would much rather see someone with an imperfect voice act the sh*t out of a song than someone just standing blankly while belting amazing notes.
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#9

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The funny thing for me is that despite the fact that I consider myself a singer first and have been singing a helluva lot longer than I've been acting, with very few exceptions I tend to get roles that either don't sing at all or only do so in ensemble numbers. These roles are traditionally done by actors who sing. Maybe others perceive me differently than I perceive myself? Anyway, I'd definitely take a singer who acts over an actor who sings, though I would never take a singer who can't act (I actually physically cringe when people sing without emotion).
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What I think is funny is that at my school, the choral students who can't act get all of the lead roles-- EVEN the non-singing roles-- because there is no acting audition for the musical. The actors who would be great in comic relief or cameo roles end up in the ensemble. So you get a show with a not-so-great sounding ensemble that acts better than any of the leads.
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At my high school it was a lot like that too Schmerg. I remember this one girl got every single lead role from her sophomore to senior year. Her voice was flawless, but she looked like a zombie on stage. Oh and even worse, if you could dance you were stuck in the ensemble. There was no way out even if you were a phenomenal actor/singer. What crap haha
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#12

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I didn't mean to imply that Raul didn't have a nuanced performance, but that both actors were unique in their creations of Bobby and their renditions of the song.
If I were a woman, I'd marry Stephen Joshua Sondheim. But then again, he's gay, so.... "They say the unexamined life is not worth living. But what if the examining becomes your life? Is that living or just procastinating?" - Carrie Bradshaw "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts...." - William Shakespeare
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Singers are boring. It's all about the acting.

Think about it in terms of the music business with performers like Beyonce or Justin Timberlake. The most successful artists don't just sing, they're performers. They wow an audience with their intensity and passion. That's why I find Norah Jones so damn boring.

If you stand there and sing, 99% of the audience could care less. And if you EVER ask that question in a theatre college, you will be tarred, feathered and CUT. Acting, above all, is what matters. Broadway agrees.
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Yep. I agree, Acting first. Always.



And, I watched both of the Being Alive versions and Raul's is far superior to me, acting AND singing.

Adrian Lester's version to me is heavily over-acted and over-indicated. He is literally indicating everything the lyrics say with his hands. It's really annoying to me, so I don't necessarily think this is a good example of Acting vs. Singing.



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Raul is INCREDIBLE. He is mesmerizing, and I can never take my eyes off of him. I sat 2nd row center for Company and Raul spit on me several times. It was AWESOME.
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Pugilist, while I do think Raul is superior in singing, I don't think he's a superior actor. Though they have the gist of it, they both have different intepretations of the character Bobby. While Raul is cool and collected, Adrian was is different. He was in the Sam Mendes revival who decided to view as Bobby taking drugs and the scenes are in his head. Lester plays Bobby as an addict who's learning to express himself. I can see why you call Raul the better actor, but Adrian's not bad at all. He even won UK's Olivier Award for Best Actor.
If I were a woman, I'd marry Stephen Joshua Sondheim. But then again, he's gay, so.... "They say the unexamined life is not worth living. But what if the examining becomes your life? Is that living or just procastinating?" - Carrie Bradshaw "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts...." - William Shakespeare
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Fair enough, I didn't know any of that. I was just going off of what was in front of me, not knowing any concept or directorial decisions.

I also didn't mean to imply that I thought of Raul as a ground-breaking actor.. I just meant in comparison between the two he played it more favorable (in my opinion).

While I enjoy his performance in Company, overall I felt that it was almost too blank slate, haha, so the two are kind of at the opposite ends of the spectrum in comparison, I suppose.

It's great that Bobby is such a pliable character though. I love that there can be two completely different interpretations of a character and both be valid.
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Most of the time, you need an actor who sings. Musicals are just story telling, and if someone can't tell the story then what good are they? However, it is a musical, and good singing is not something you should go without. There are certain roles that are written for singers. I hate using Wicked as an example, but if my Elphie can't belt the hell out of Defying Gravity, the show has lost its luster (to me).
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Have you ever seen Raul in an actual play? He is...stunning.

And while that is true about Wicked...the script of Wicked does not lend itself to required fierce acting. You go to see Wicked for the high belting.

But. Luckily, they always cast fierce actor/singers with fierce cheekbones.
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That's the problem with a lot of shows that have come about in the last 15 years. The scores have been written for SINGERS. Singers who "act". Singers who are afraid to get into character because it may interfere with their technique. Or vocal prowess. "I can't be angry in this song, an angry facial expression may sour my high C! Cry? Me? NO, I can't stifle my head voice with emotion!"

I'm an actor who sings. And personally, I prefer those who can compensate for whatever they lack in their vocal skills with superior acting. But when it comes down to it, I do think a performer with equal talents in both works best. But that's obvious.

You can only get so far trying to sell a song with your pretty voice and effortless high notes. Get it high voices? re: Actors Who Sing and Singers Who Can't Act
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An interesting question, for sure. A wonderful actor with a decent voice can sell a show, no problem, and most likely better than a singer who can't really act.

But the strength of singing needed obviously depends on the show. Some could argue that certain roles are written for a singer to shine and that when you place a non-so-great singer in them, no matter how good the acting is, it falls flat. As someone pointed up thread - if Elphie can't belt out DG, well, then she's not right for the part. (Of course, Wicked doesn't really call for any extremely tough acting, either). The same could be said for other shows.

On the other side, there are plenty of shows that need to be acted well, but the singing doesn't have to OMG-Pretty! or OMG-Belting! to sell it.

Perhaps I'm asking too much, but I'd love musical actors to be able to both sing and act well. (For this reason, Audra McDonald is my current favorite musical actress.)
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Singers who can't act get boring fast. But the music is appealing. Actors who can't sing butcher the piece. It all depends on the show. Some shows are so heavily character driven who need a performer who can act. I saw a Sondheim show with a very good singer play sweeney who is stale with acting. Yet, I would never want to see Phantom or R&H musical with heavy singing roles played by actors who can just carry a tune. Here's something for you, I never want to see CATS with out dancers, West Side Story, or Chicago.
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Honestly, if I have to sit through a musical and had to pick the amazing singer to the not as good singer but amazing actor, I would pick the singer every time. I feel like as a director/actor it is easier to get someone to a performance level who can already sing the material because they do not have to focus on sing and can connect with the material. Also acting in my opinion is more of a learned/developed skill where singing while it can be improved you either have "it" or don't. But I do believe there are some amazing singers who even though they are amazing actors will always be seen as singers. I hate that people who sing amazingly alot of the times are just ruled out as good actors. But that is me! Also look at what you do when you got to an audition, you sing. They are looking for the voice first, then they have you dance or read from the script. There is a reason. Its because there are plenty of people who can sing and act the role. They won't pick the better actor if they can't sing. Also Natasha Richardson is an odd example becasue she was mainly cast because she was a "name". But I love her voice!

Also I feel that if the actor can't sing its distracting. In the end, I want someone who can do both well.
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Updated On: 5/14/09 at 02:21 AM

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Also look at what you do when you got to an audition, you sing. They are looking for the voice first, then they have you dance or read from the script.

But you're still expected to act through your song. And I've been to plenty of auditions where singing is not first.
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Yes, they expect you to act but I've been to plently of auditions where even if the person isn't an amazing actor they will call them back to see how they do in a cold reading. I mean my preference is a singer who can act and sing...
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