Anastasia's remains found

[Dollypop]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 10:11pm

It looks as though the play/movie/musical ANASTASIA was fiction after all. The remains of Anastasia and her brother were identified by DNA tests and it seems that they were both executed at the same time as the rest of their family. They were just buried a ffew feet apart from the others.

[KrissySim]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 10:18pm

I thought it was common knowledge for a long time that the play was based on an impostor. The play was written during the Soviet era when access to actual records was impossible, but the truth has been known before the DNA tests.

[Dollypop]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 10:21pm

I guess the DNA tests just verify things.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 10:37pm

If I had that picture I would never leave the house.

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 10:40pm

It's really strange that you should post this. I was just watching the animated film "Anastasia." I thought the tests had been confirmed awhile ago.

[Dollypop]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 10:44pm

I just read about it in today's Newsday. I think Associated Press carried the story.

[DAME]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 10:49pm

DP..... You just inspired me to pop in my copy of Carol Channing on Larry King.

[Dollypop]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 10:55pm

Did it injur Larry King when you did that?

[DAME]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 11:01pm

I wish.

[KrissySim]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 11:20pm

You are right, dollypop. The test results were reported on yesterday. The DNA testing began last April.

The bone fragments were found in 2007 after researchers widened their search area based on records from one of the participants who said they buried the family in two separate graves. (If my memory is correct.) The eyewitness said there is no way the family could have survived. Most of the eyewitnesses dies many years ago.

The announcement of the testing.

[KrissySim]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 11:21pm

Yesterday's story

[madbrian]

Posted: 3/12/09 at 11:45pm

So what does this mean, we'll have to wait another sixty to find the remains of Jimmy Hoffa?

[Q]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 1:28am

Anastasia
Carol Channing
Larry King
Jimmy Hoffa

This board cracks me up.

[winston89]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 2:15am

madbrian, You won't have to wait another sixty years until the body of Hoffa is found. Most likely, you would have to wait until they knock down Giants Stadium which will be in a couple of years.

[nmartin]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 5:35am

She really tried. The person I feel sorry for is Peter Kurth who believed in her.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 10:10am

I think the reason we're thinking we'd heard this alread, though it's a new story, is that a few years back DNA tests proved that the most famous Anastasia claimant, Anna Anderson, was not related to the Romanovs. (And I was unaccountably disappointed; not sure why.)

So this is a quite different story.

[best12bars]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 10:12am

I'm glad the mystery has been solved beyond a shadow of a doubt now.

However ... I still love a good "story." And a good legend. And I will take them exactly for what they are.

Proof or no proof, I will always love the "Anastasia myth."

[nmartin]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 10:18am

Reg is talking about the 1994 dna results that proved Anna Anderson Manahan was the Polish peasant Franziska Schanzkowska. Even though this happened more than a decade ago, it is inextricably linked to the origial post on this thread.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 11:34am

Here's the scientific study, a bizarre mix of history and mumbo-jumbo.

In the summer of 2007, a group of amateur archeologists discovered a collection of remains from the second grave approximately 70 meters from the larger grave. We report forensic DNA testing on the remains discovered in 2007 using mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), autosomal STR, and Y- STR testing. Combined with additional DNA testing of material from the 1991 grave, we have virtually irrefutable evidence that the two individuals recovered from the 2007 grave are the two missing children of the Romanov family: the Tsarevich Alexei and one of his sisters.
Mystery Solved: The Identification of the Two Missing Romanov Children Using DNA Analysis

[Paul W. Thompson]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 12:01pm

And why are we not talking about the broadway musical "Anya?"

Bottom line--the story of the real Anastasia and story of the real Anna Anderson will both fade, and the myth that Anastasia survived will survive in fairy tale format. Ahrens and Flaherty were just ahead of the curve!!

[KrissySim]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 1:58pm

Come to think of it, Paul W. Thompson, I could swear I saw Elvis just the other day. The day after after that silver ball in a cloud of flames landed. Remember those fireballs in the sky?

And where is Amelia Mary Earhart today?

[Gothampc]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 2:21pm

So does that make Ingrid Bergman's career built on a foundation of lies?

[Broadwayboobs]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 2:33pm

Have they ever found Brendan Stryker's remains?

[bdwaygirl]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 3:01pm

I thought they were the centerpiece of Dollypop's shrine.

[KrissySim]

Posted: 3/13/09 at 4:00pm

re best12bars and Paul W. Thompson (being a little more serious than my previous post) I'm wondering if the persistence of the Anastasia myth is not only to do with the fact that people love myths, especially ones that have a hint of mystery to them, but also that people wanted to believe this particular myth. The assassination of the entire family was so brutal and inhumane (and it's too bad it didn't alert Russia to the true nature of the Bolshevik party, the Bolshevik revolution remains the worst thing to ever happen in Russian history). Perhaps the myth lasted so long because people wanted to believe that someone (innocent) escaped the brutality.