Barack Obama doesn't rule out Hillary Clinton for vice president- Page 2

[romantico]

Posted: 7/13/08 at 9:10pm

Pal Joey is a Hillary supporter. Obama has the nomination so we really don't matter now do we.As long as we shut up smile and give Obama our votes thats all that matters.The Obama supporters feel its OK to STILL bash Hillary and her supporters and order them to vote for Obama or else. Hillary is way more gay friendly than Barack is and his position on abortion has moved closer to the center. Obama will say anything to get elected.To be fair, Hillary would have as well and we know McCain will, its politics. Its just that Obama sold himself as the guy who was different and now we are seeing he is more and more like Hillary. The Obama supporters hated Hillary because she would say whatever to get elected. She moved to the center. She was on the O'Reilly Factor, she did all these things Obama is doing now. What happens if Obama goes on FOx? Will they call him Judas? Will they become as angry towards him as they did with Hillary?

At least with Hillary I knew what I was getting. I am still wondering with Obama and that is what is making me hesitate on voting for him.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 7/13/08 at 9:14pm

Well, I guess if you are the one in 10,000, it might matter to you.

And the position is an erosion of the rights granted under Roe - where mental health issues (and not those rising to the level of a diagnosed mental disorder) were justification.

He back peddled from his original position, to indicate that he would allow abortions for "serious clinical mental-health diseases" which is a higher threshold than under current precedent. It is the same standard adopted by Scalia and Thomas.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 7/13/08 at 11:20pm

The "Mental Health" loophole affects about 1 in 10,000 abortiions.

And late-term abortions account for 1.4% of all abortions, but that's the way to mollify the right, because who wants to think about the slippery slope of the gruesomeness that is abortion? I would have assumed the Obama that won the primary would have something to say about abortion that was a change from the norm.

Say we unequivocally criminalize abortion after 15th or 20th week. Is that going to be the end of it? Are the pro-lifers going to say, "Okay, we've met in the middle" or are they going to feel energized because they are that much closer to eroding Roe v Wade completely?

[Unknown User]

Posted: 7/14/08 at 2:38pm

Interesting piece from Huff Post about the Never-Say-Die Hillary supporters Jill Iscoll (mentioned in the original post) and her pal Lynn Forester who are threatening to vote McCain- it's long and will make you mad so if you just want the gist of it:

"Forester was recently on the radio here in L.A. The topic: Hillary loyalists, and how they will or will not be able to reconcile themselves to Barack Obama's victory and join in the effort to get him elected in November. It turns out that, alas, Lynn Forester may not. In fact, she may vote for, and possibly work on behalf of, John McCain.

"At the end of the day we are choosing the President of the United States, the most powerful job in the world for the greatest county that ever existed on the face of the planet. And we cannot say that our party, or our loyalty to our party, is our first obligation. We are obligated to choose who will lead this country best, who will work harder for all the people in this county. And so I don't feel guilty at all if I don't vote Democratic. And it was California's Ronald Reagan who said, he did not leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left him."

It's hard to know where to start to adequately describe the bad faith, uber-disingenuousness, and sheer baloney-rich nonsense of this statement. So let's not try yet. Instead, let's just review what "Dan from Brea" (a former Hillary supporter) said when he called in. Because he nailed it:

"I cannot believe anyone who seriously supports the fundamental principles that Hillary campaigned for could say with a straight face that they would consider voting for John McCain...I have a hard time taking your position seriously."

Tell me about it, Dan. Because here's what this woman, whose claim on our attention is predicated on her having worked passionately for Hillary Clinton, would have us believe:

1. That she is of the sincere opinion that John McCain, whose positions on major issues are almost identical to those of His Catastrophic Chimpitude, George W. Bush, will "lead this country" better and "work harder for all the people in this country," than Barack Obama, whose positions on almost every issue are almost identical to Hillary Clinton's.

2. That this attitude represents a selfless devotion to country, if need be at the expense of petty Party loyalty.

3. That Barack Obama has not given Forester "a reason to trust him," but John McCain has.

4. That this position is adequately explained and justified by something Ronald Reagan -- California's Ronald Reagan -- once said.

If you listen to the broadcast, you hear Patt's other guest, Jill Iscoll (fundraiser for HRC and chair of her Senate campaigns) take a somewhat less ridiculous stance.

What the two women have in common, however, is a shared sense of indignation at how Hillary was treated by the press during the primary. There was misogyny. There was sexism. "The press tried to marginalize her," Iscoll said. "She was not a marginal candidate."

"Marginalize"? After months of writing and broadcasting about Hillary's "inevitability"? Whatever. And yes, there were strains of misogyny and sexism in the coverage, just as there were strains of racism. But then Iscoll says, about her candidate, "She is the greatest figure of our age for millions and millions of people, not only in America but around the world."

What we have here, in other words, are two feminists still pissed that their gal lost. They're entitled. Lynn Forester is even entitled to vote for, work for, and give money to, John McCain.

But don't pretend to justify it on the basis of "leadership." Have the simple honesty to identify your position for what it is: sheer, unadulterated, 99 44/100ths percent pure spite -- one of the most blatant examples of spite on the face of the planet.


Huffington Post

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/14/08 at 3:11pm

Eh. All of that will be forgotten when he names Hillary as his vice president.

At that point, these 50/50 McCain/Obama polls will turn to a 70-80% Democratic lead!

Of course, we WILL lose about 5% of Obama's current support among the die-hard misogynistic Hillary/Shrillary/Billary/Bitch/C*nt crowd, but they're dispensable. They'll find some other strong woman to demonize and be perfectly happy.

And the united Democratic Party will sweep the White House and both houses of Congress!

[madbrian]

Posted: 7/14/08 at 3:17pm

PJ - what do we do about Bill? I don't think Obama or Hillary want him around 'helping'. UN Ambassador?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/14/08 at 3:23pm

Easy! We call him madam and make him Ambassador to Lichtenburg!

[Unknown User]

Posted: 7/14/08 at 3:27pm

Bill will be great as UN Ambassador.

[madbrian]

Posted: 7/14/08 at 3:27pm

Really? Think about the plot. Do we want him going over there, failling in love, and offering them all our money?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/14/08 at 3:30pm

I like the scene where he comforts the young gay reporter by telling him he's not sick--he's just in love!

Put your hand
On my zipper!
And give one
for the Gipper!
A rubdown
With a rubber glove...