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Bigot Bush is at it again on gay marriage!
#50bigot bush is at it again on gay marriage!
Posted: 6/2/06 at 3:05pm
Chita.
A few things. You keep demonizing Clinton for signing DOMA. Go back. Look at it. Clinton couldn't veto DOMA because it had the votes to be forced through if he had. So, rather than spend his political clout alienating middle-ground voters, he capitulated and signed.
Kerry was anti-gay marriage but pro civil unions.
Bush is anti-gay marriage AND civil unions and, in fact, this FMA specifically has wording in it to FOREVER PREVENT any state from enacting laws that would give "the legal incidents thereof" (the legal incidents thereof being anything that reeks of heterosexual, old school Biblical marriage).
VAST difference here and thus, no choice on whom I'd cast my vote.
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#51bigot bush is at it again on gay marriage!
Posted: 6/2/06 at 3:08pm
so then he could have vetoed it and gotten the same result except he would have shown the country what was right!! get it?
Updated On: 6/2/06 at 03:08 PM
#52bigot bush is at it again on gay marriage!
Posted: 6/2/06 at 3:10pm
LOL. That's almost funny. Since when has a politican stood on principle and had it prove any point to America as a whole?
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#54bigot bush is at it again on gay marriage!
Posted: 6/2/06 at 3:15pm
I think you're missing my point. Clinton was pretty undeniably centrist in his politics and policies. While that isn't necessarily great for any radical change to occur, he certainly held off much worse legislation (can you imagine if they'd even have bothered with an amendment during his tenure? Doubtful.) by remaining so centrist and keeping his power for fighting fights he could win. To have spent his clout to "make a social point" here would have been extremely wasteful. Plus, the great thing about things like DOMA is that it can be fought in court, through suits brought about by citizens who are directly affected by it. An amendment cannot. In FACT, judges are supposed to henceforth use that amendment as policy by which to weigh laws and issue rulings.
One of these things is FAR worse than the other.
#55bigot bush is at it again on gay marriage!
Posted: 6/2/06 at 3:20pm
Statement by President Bill Clinton on DOMA
On Friday, September 20, prior to signing the Defense of Marriage Act, President Clinton released the following statement:
Throughout my life I have strenuously opposed discrimination of any kind, including discrimination against gay and lesbian Americans. I am signing into law H.R. 3396, a bill relating to same-gender marriage, but it is important to note what this legislation does and does not do.
I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. The Act confirms the right of each state to determine its own policy with respect to same gender marriage and clarifies for purposes of federal law the operative meaning of the terms "marriage" and "spouse".
This legislation does not reach beyond those two provisions. It has no effect on any current federal, state or local anti-discrimination law and does not constrain the right of Congress or any state or locality to enact anti-discrimination laws. I therefore would take this opportunity to urge Congress to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, an act which would extend employment discrimination protections to gays and lesbians in the workplace. This year the Senate considered this legislation contemporaneously with the Act I sign today and failed to pass it by a single vote. I hope that in its next Session Congress will pass it expeditiously.
I also want to make clear to all that the enactment of this legislation should not, despite the fierce and at times divisive rhetoric surrounding it, be understood to provide an excuse for discrimination, violence or intimidation against any person on the basis of sexual orientation. Discrimination, violence and intimidation for that reason, as well as others, violate the principle of equal protection under the law and have no place in American society.
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Chita, let's get together and fight the REAL enemy.
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#56bigot bush is at it again on gay marriage!
Posted: 6/2/06 at 3:26pm
I am on your side Pal but did you read his statement? It's worse than I thought. In it he states "I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages."
threadjack....is anyone hearing about Laura Bush moving out of the white house ?
Updated On: 6/2/06 at 03:26 PM
#57bigot bush is at it again on gay marriage!
Posted: 6/2/06 at 3:39pm
Let's look at what else happened during Clinton's presidency. How many similar good things happened for lesbians and gays during Bush's regime?
Clinton was FORCED politically to sign DOMA by the overwhelming majority of cowardly Congressional Democrats (see how many voted for DOMA below), who were FREAKED OUT that one of Clinton's first acts as president was to say that gays SHOULD serve in the military. They were PETRIFIED at how that would play in Peoria--and there's nothing more desperate than a scared politician (Why, just look at all these Republicans now!)
To keep harping on DOMA is fighting the wrong enemy--and playing right into Karl Rove's coalition-splitting hands.
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GAY AND LESBIAN ADVANCES DURING THE CLINTON YEARS
1993
May 3
Hawaii Supreme Court charges the state with proving a "compelling state interest" in denying marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Heads of other national lesbian and gay organizations meet with President Clinton, marking the first meeting between gay and lesbian leaders and a sitting president.
October
Congress passes the Hate Crimes Sentencing Enhancement Act, stiffening sentences for federal hate crimes — including those targeting gays and lesbians. After three Oklahoma GOP congressmen announce that they would never hire openly gay people, HRCF asks members of Congress to affirm that they don't discriminate based on sexual orientation.
1994
June 23
Employment Non-Discrimination Act is introduced by Reps. Barney Frank, D-Mass.; Gerry Studds, D-Mass.; and Constance Morella, R-Md., and Sens. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.; and John Chafee, R-R.I.
November
Anti-gay Proposition 1 in Idaho and Proposition 13 in Oregon are defeated.
1995
August 7
Clinton issues executive order barring discrimination based on sexual orientation in granting of security clearances.
October
Clinton extends support of ENDA.
1996
May 20
In a 6-3 decision, U.S. Supreme Court declares Colorado's anti-gay Amendment 2 unconstitutional.
August
During Republican National Convention in San Diego, HRC airs television ads on same-sex marriage that say: "Tell Bob Dole and Congress to stop trying to score political points by attacking gay Americans."
September 10
DOMA passes Senate 85-14, while ENDA is defeated 49-50 in first congressional vote on a gay and lesbian civil rights bill. Clinton signs DOMA Sept. 20.
1997
November 8
Clinton gives keynote address at HRC's first National Dinner. He is first sitting president to address a gay and lesbian organization.
November
Clinton nominates philanthropist James Hormel, founding HRC Fund board member, as U.S. ambassador to Luxembourg. Senate GOP leadership holds up nomination for 20 months because Hormel is gay.
1998
May 28
Clinton signs executive order banning anti-gay discrimination in federal civil service. HRC orchestrates defeat of an amendment, sponsored by Rep. Joel Hefley, R-Colo., that would have gutted Clinton's executive order.
June 5
Former HRC Co-Chair Fred Hochberg sworn in as deputy administrator of the U.S. Small Business Administration.
June 16
Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., compares homosexuality to kleptomania and alcoholism.
September 19
Vice President Al Gore and Tipper Gore speak at HRC's second annual National Dinner.
October
Matthew Shepard, openly gay University of Wyoming student, is murdered, sparking spontaneous outcry among GLBT Americans. Vigils spring up across the country to protest hate crimes, including one on Capitol Hill organized by HRC.
1999
January 19
Clinton becomes first president to mention gay and lesbian issues in the State of the Union address.
June 29
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright swears in James Hormel as U.S. ambassador to Luxembourg, first openly gay U.S. ambassador.
2000
February 14
HRC endorses Vice President Gore for president.
#58bigot bush is at it again on gay marriage!
Posted: 6/2/06 at 4:17pm
I agree with PJ. Let's start fighting the real enemy TOGETHER.
Updated On: 6/2/06 at 04:17 PM
#59bigot bush is at it again on gay marriage!
Posted: 6/2/06 at 5:22pm
Updated On: 6/2/06 at 05:22 PM
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