"Brokeback Mountain" wins top prize at Venice!

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 2:27pm

Ang Lees Brokeback Mountain wins Golden Lion at Venice Film Festival

"Brokeback Mountain", Ang Lees tale of love between two cowboys set in the conservative West of the 1960s took the Golden Lion, the top award at the Venice Film Festival.

Receiving the award Saturday, Lee described his movie as a «great American love story» that is «unique and so universal. Im so glad its prevailed here and was received so warmly here.»

Based on a novella by «The Shipping News» author E. Annie Proulx, the movie has sweeping vistas, lonesome men, bucking broncos and smoldering campfires. It also has sex scenes between two men whose lives are changed, disturbed and entwined after being hired to tend sheep for a summer in Wyoming.

Lees other films include «Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon,» «Hulk,» «The Ice Storm» and «Sense and Sensibility.»

[BobbyBubby]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 2:35pm

I wonder how much controversy this movie will stir up when it arrives in the USA....

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 4:12pm

I hope it's more fun than the "Shipping News" movie. It does have Jake &Heath running around nude in the great outdoors.

[Atrias]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 4:13pm

Exactly,Beerchild. Based on that alone, how can this movie be bad?

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 4:25pm

I'm sure that's why it won the top prize. The jury were all sitting around going "Now THAT'S what we want to see in movie."

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 5:10pm

I am thrilled for this film's already success. And, I hope it does great things for the image of gay people as well as simply entertain as a great story.

But, comments like "And the screen sex -- we kind of just dove into the love scenes and dove out again just as fast as we could." [Gyllenhaal] paused to some laughter. "And that was it." are freaking annoying. Does anyone besides Colin Farrell have balls when playing a gay character?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/12/brokeback.toronto/index.html

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 5:30pm

while i understand where you are coming from JRB, some people are jsut uncomfortable in situations like that. Not everyone likes gay sex as much as you.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 5:53pm

Zone--that was the stupidest thing you have ever said on here.

I'm talking about ACTING.

The ignorance of what you said is astounding.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:01pm

SOME PEOPLE AREN'T COMFORTABLE IN THOSE SITUATIONS

i was talking about acting too. some people aren't comfortable doing certain things. I know there are things that i would not be comfortable doing as an actor, so therefore i can postulate, that other actors would find certain things uncomfortable.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:16pm

Then, don't do it. If you can't commit, don't.

And, though I don't KNOW, I would GUESS that they didn't have a problem filming the scenes. They had a problem with people thinking they might be gay, so like almost all straight actors who do gay characters, they make a big deal to inform the world how much WORK it was for them. And that's B ****ing S.

Gay guys do love scenes with girls all the time. Straight people do love scenes with each other all the time who either find the other actor repulsive or hate their guts. They don't feel the need to tell the media this, however.

Even if I thought you were right, the rest of your comment was just ****ty.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:22pm

you are so overly sensitive. Jesus christ, any time anyone says anything that is not exhaltation of everything that is homosexually related you throw a fit. Just because someone might not be comfortable shooting a gay sex scene, does not make them anti-gay, it does not make them a homophobe, it does not make them a hate monger, or pathetic, or anything you seem to think it does. It makes them human. sometimes people have to do things they don't necesarily want to or not even really that they don't want to, they just don't feel comfortable doing so. I swear, it would take someone having gay sex in public for you to think they weren't some how anti gay and afraid of being thought of as gay. Get a grip, while there is quite a bit of anti-gay setniment in the world, it's not a given just because someone isn't gay or hailing homosexuality as the thing that will lead the world back to peace.


you talk about ignorance, and yet exhibit it blaringly.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:23pm

"I hope it does great things for the image of gay people"

I'm curious as to what you're hoping for from this, Jerby. If they are true to the story, there's not much that is commendable about either of these two men as human beings, much less gay ones. They stumble through their existences, lying to themselves and those around them, and ultimately end up in despair.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:30pm

Well D, I didn't know the story, but the article speaks of how the film breaks down stereotypes. And, perhaps, folks will feel bad that the only reason these two men can't just simply be together is because of the taboo--and what a shame that is. Again, I don't know the story, I can only "hope" based on what I have heard.

Zone--you are so completely, ridiculously wrong in that post. You either have NOT paid attention to the things I have said or you are so desperate to win this lil fight that you think you can make such livid, wrong statements to "win the fight".

I'm not going to waste my time refuting what you said--it's just wrong on all accounts. People who know me and HAVE paid attention to what I have said on gay related issues know better.

Updated On: 9/12/05 at 06:30 PM

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:38pm

I can see that it might be an eye opener for someone who thinks all gay men are hairdressers or interior designers - but someone like that needs more than a movie-going experience. And I can kind of see the point of how it shows they're not together because of their reaction to the perceived pressures around them - but that's a slender thread to pull through the overall story.

I understand you haven't read the story - I'm not sure many have, actually. I've been reading some posts here by people who have read it, and are looking forward to the 'gay, tragic love story'. I, personally, would rather see something that affirmed our existence, rather than wallowed in the crap we see every day.

[Orpheum]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:40pm

I'm not sure if it actually will change many perceptions. It's hardly the type of movie that goes on to become a blockbuster - what is its target audience?

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:41pm

true. wish it had a happy ending.

[Link Larkin Wanabe]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:46pm

Woot!

I missed my chance at seeing this movie at the Toronto Film Fest, but I really wanna see it. I'm am from where it is filmed and the landscapes look so well captured. Also I wanna see which of my friends as extras made the final cut. What is the release date for normal theatres?

Akiva

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:50pm

"But, comments like "And the screen sex -- we kind of just dove into the love scenes and dove out again just as fast as we could." [Gyllenhaal] paused to some laughter. "And that was it." are freaking annoying. Does anyone besides Colin Farrell have balls when playing a gay character?"

some how because they had this issue, they are somehow lower in your eyes? They don't have "balls" as you like to put it. Way to attack their masculinity. That's slightly hypocritical of you isn't it? I seem to remember you in another thread freaking out over the idea of masculinity and femininity, now you are attacking someone's masculinity? Where was i not paying attention to what you said?



"Threads like these where straight boys are making sure the rest of BWW knows they aren't a fag for liking theatre are borderline offensive without the discussion that has been taking place that you are objecting to."

where do you get off making a statement like this? Not all stragiht boys in theatre are afraid of being thought of as gay, and jsut because they make it known they are straight doesn't some how make them homophobic or again, afraid of being thought of as gay. Sometimes, it's understandable. When everyone automatically things you are something that you aren't, you learn to anticipate it and counteract it, jsut because they counter act it, deosn't mean anything at all. If you have the wrong idea about where someone is coming from (their back ground, their ethnicity and yes, even their sexuality, you can misinterperet what they mean, so getting mad at londonboy and demaeaning him was exactly what I've been talking about with you. again, where was I not paying attention.


I don't mean to attack you, i just can't sit here and watch you pull some of the **** you say straight from your ass. Being so sensitive, doens't help your cause. SOmetimes you have to learn to jsut accept that being gay to some people isn't a positive thing. It's not necesarily a negative thing to them either.

Updated On: 9/12/05 at 06:50 PM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 6:58pm

Again--so wrong. SO wrong. I never attacked London Boy. I was speaking of male actors in film--there is a long list of them that have said similar things. All I was asking is for actors gay or straight to just be cool in an interview and say, "Yeah. I played a gay guy. No big deal." like Colin Farrell has. I love Jake and Heath's work--I don't think they are lower or not masculine. I think that comment was being wimpy. It was being the vain actor.

You have taken my comments out of context and you have blown this WAY out of proportion.

You don't know **** about what I think--clearly as you are so wrong in how you depict me here.

You started attacking me from your first post. You clearly wanted to start a fight with me, and you got it. Goodie goodie for you.

I think this thread speaks more ill of what issues you have than I have:

"you have to learn to jsut accept that being gay to some people isn't a positive thing. It's not necesarily a negative thing to them either."

Sounds like you hate yourself for being gay, Zone. Well, don't try to piss on my day just because I like who I am and am willing to fight for it or have debates on a message board about it. How dare you try to tell me how wrong I am when your opinions come from such a place of self-hate.

Time to turn that finger pointing inward...

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 7:00pm

I kind of agree with you, jrb. I wish Heath would just let it be or say that he did what was necessary in order to make the story real, and leave it at that.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 7:08pm

again, you contradict yourself, you bust out the word wimpy. when are you gonna start taking your own advice?


as for your "Sounds like you hate yourself for being gay, Zone. Well, don't try to piss on my day just because I like who I am and am willing to fight for it or have debates on a message board about it. How dare you try to tell me how wrong I am when your opinions come from such a place of self-hate." How dare I???? How dare you. Simply because i accept the fact there are people out there who have issues with homosexuals, I some how hate myself? Way to be a hypocrite again. You get all upset at me for how I "depict" you here, and then you try and depict me in a certain (offensive) way. And no, I wasn't picking a fight, and you saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

let's review my first post in this thread.

"while i understand where you are coming from JRB, some people are jsut uncomfortable in situations like that. Not everyone likes gay sex as much as you." See, i understand where you are coming from, I honestly do, infact i agree with you in many ways, but I am obviously a little more understanding of the general public. As for my last part of the post the "Not everyone likes gay sex as much as you." that was simply a joke that you took far too seriously. My first post was far from attacking or fight picking.


now let's take a look at your response to my first post in this thread.
"Zone--that was the stupidest thing you have ever said on here.

I'm talking about ACTING.

The ignorance of what you said is astounding."


Ok, now let's look at this, who was the first person to make an attack? You were. The stupidest thing i have ever said? my ignorance is astounding? If we compare the tone of the two posts in question, we will see that mine is not making personal attacks, mine is not picking a fight. So, when you claim people are doing things, make sure they actually are.

[gymman]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 7:26pm

Of course, JRB is right; can you imagine someone saying "I hated playing a Jew, a Puerto Rican, a German?" The principle is the same: homophobia is homophobia, and that's what this is. "I'm not a fag...I just play one in the movies..."

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 7:31pm

where the hell did they say they hated playing homosexuals. If anything, they said they were excited. They jsut had an issue with performing a gay sex scene. If might be uncormfortable for somneone to play a jew in a movie about the death of christ, or someone playing a german in a movie about the holocaust, it doesn't mean they hate playing that role, it just means there are some aspects of it that make them uncomfortable. you are all so delusional (and by you all, i obviously mean gymman and JRB).


CHill out, and realize that being uncormfortable does not eqaul hate or intolerence.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 7:35pm

Perhaps it doesn't, but it does a bit of a disservice to the movie for the actor's to make such comments, especially before the general public is able to see it. Who knows, maybe Jake and Heath really loved doing the sex scenes, but I bet their publicists and friends have something to do with some of the comments they've made recently. They really need to just chill. They both have several movies coming out soon where they both play different sorts of characters.

Updated On: 9/12/05 at 07:35 PM

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 9/12/05 at 7:40pm

I understand, I didn't say that what they said was a good thing to say. I just said that i can understand where they are coming from. It might not have been the best thing to say, but it certainly wasn't some evil anti gay hate mongering that gymman and jrb are trying to make it out to be. That is my issue with this thread. People taking what these two actors said and (pardon the horrible cliche, but I'm a little tired and therefore uncreative at the moment) making a federal case out of it. sometimes people say things, stupid things, can't we all agree that this was probably one of them? and not some attack on gays everywhere?