Bush's Popularity — Page 2

But women should still be considered property and not allowed to vote? Don't forget that was the beginning of the civil rights era.
Affirmative Action is flawed but can you name a program that isn't?

Guenevere - unfortunately, the experience I have here in southern California (my partner is a teacher and all our social contacts are in education) is that it all boils down to the support coming from the home. And the reality is, as sad as it is, that the lower the class status, the less involvement or interaction the child gets from home. Without that support, it becomes very difficult to move forward. MJR is correct that individual determination is the key - but not having that sense of will developed during childhood seriously impedes the ability of the child to grow.

"Like what? Can we have a 'for instance' here, please?"


Oh God, this is going to sound so bad but I can't remember. It happened a few times between the Today Show and Good Morning America. But I would like to nicely check myself out of this discussion...

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gee, sticky, i live in nyc and you ought to see what the people here do to bush signs even though there are kerry signs everywhere. and these are the same people who scream about censorship and cry for free speech. talk about hypocrisy.

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MJR - Your point is why I have been very interested in following the Bill Cosby saga. While he is addressing the black community primarily (and I fully understand why he does) I seriously hope that his message can start to bleed into all society in general. It's ALL about taking personal responsibility - and that seems to be something that has gone right out the window.

Unfortunately, BStar2B - he is very popular with many people - just obviously not with many of this crowd

""bush's popularity"

non-existant "

Yes, I am SO feeling the love here.

But it really isn't common in theatre circles at all, I've only met one other Republican in all the shows I've worked with. Lucky for me, eh?

Plum: Oh yes, the adults are a different story. Definitely. As I said, I was lucky enough to have parents that really care for me and take interest in my life- it's sad to see other people who didn't have that in their lives.

Updated On: 7/31/04 at 11:30 PM

You're right. Kerry does want more tax money. He wants to do such atrocious things as getting rid of tax loopholes for corporations. Horrible, I know.

But you know what? I have news for you. If you want to manage a country of this size and run two simultaneous wars, you need buttloads of money. And believe it or not, that money comes from...wait for it...TAXES! Whodathunkit?

And look where Bush's financial policies have gotten us. I won't blame him entirely for the recession, but the record national debt? His fault. Completely.

the record defecits comment is a bit disingenuous, plum. while it is the largest defecit in plain numbers, it's only 3.8% of the economy. reagan's ran around 6%.

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I think Jon Stewart hit the nail on the head when he questioned why more people weren't all up in arms about the war. I mean it comes out that the "reason" we went to war was false, and everyone is just ignoring that. We impeach a guy for having a little oral sex ... but sending our country to war over an oil fued and using 9/11 as your excuse is A-OK by us. Right.

The Israel/Palestinian thing is hypocrisy? Israel should listen to what Germany and France says about the wall protecting themselves from homicide bombers, after all, Germany has always been supportive of the Jews.

from hamas's charter:

Article Eight : The Slogan of the Hamas
Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences [Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: “Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.”

Article Seventeen: The Role of Muslim Women
The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men and play a great role in guiding and educating the [new] generation.

from the plo's charter:

Article 1: Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation.

Article 2: Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.

Article 3: The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.

Article 15: The liberation of Palestine, from an Arab viewpoint, is a national (qawmi) duty and it attempts to repel the Zionist and imperialist aggression against the Arab homeland, and aims at the elimination of Zionism in Palestine. Absolute responsibility for this falls upon the Arab nation - peoples and governments - with the Arab people of Palestine in the vanguard. Accordingly, the Arab nation must mobilize all its military, human, moral, and spiritual capabilities to participate actively with the Palestinian people in the liberation of Palestine. It must, particularly in the phase of the armed Palestinian revolution, offer and furnish the Palestinian people with all possible help, and material and human support, and make available to them the means and opportunities that will enable them to continue to carry out their leading role in the armed revolution, until they liberate their homeland.

Article 19: The partition of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time, because they were contrary to the will of the Palestinian people and to their natural right in their homeland, and inconsistent with the principles embodied in the Charter of the United Nations, particularly the right to self-determination.

Article 21: The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by the armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aiming at the liquidation of the Palestinian problem, or its internationalization.

yep, that's all about peace and coexistence, ain't it? nothing about eliminating israel at all. i can't see why anybody would find any fault with people whose representatives call for the complete destruction and elimination of another nation. and if they had planes and tanks they'd get their a**es handed to them again just the combined arab armies did did in '67 and '73.

when palestinians are calling for a true peaceful coexistence and not the destruction of israel in both english and arabic, instead of calling for peace in english and calling for war in arabic, then there might be hope. until then, there will be death.

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Updated On: 8/1/04 at 01:06 PM