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Can the adults please smoke?
#3625The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:29pmMy friend is Italian and her mother is always talking about an evil eye or something. She calls it something that I think begins with an M.
I hung out with Cheyenne Jackson in his dressing room waayyyyyy before he tickled D2. "unleash the girly"
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#3626The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:31pmThatw as never a problem at our house. My grandmother had her little bags of special herbs that were hung on the door when ssomeone died to keep them from coming in. There was also the Sunday morning ritual of reading teh obits in the papaer to see who might have died and could be making an unannounced visit.
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#3627The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:34pm
bdwaygirl this is probably what you're talking about...
The cornuto, corno, or cornicello is an Italian amulet of ancient origin. Corno means "horn" and cornicello means "little horn" -- these names refer to a long, gently twisted horn-shaped amulet worn in Italy to protect against the evil eye. Cornicelli are usually carved out of red coral or made of gold or silver. The type of horn they are intended to copy is not a curled-over sheep horn or goat horn but rather like the twisted horn of an African eland or something similar. Over the years they have become rather stylized and now look less like a natural animal horn than they once did. A regionally popular amulet, they are primarily found in Italy and in America among descendents of Italian immigrants. You can buy cornicelli at any Italian jewelry store in New York to this day.
These little horns (like the horns of all horned animals) are presumed to have once been sacred to the Old European moon goddess, before the rise of Christianity. Some modern evangelical Catholics disparage the continued use of cornicelli among Italian Catholics and refer to them as "Satan's horns" or "Lucifer's horns" but this is absolutely nonsense, as they were always seen as the horns of the moon goddess -- and hence, in Catholic symbolism, would be related to the Virgin Mary, who is shown standing on a lunar crescent.
Related to the corno is the mano cornuta or "horned hand." This is an Italian hand-gesture (or an amulet imitative of the gesture) that can be used to indicate that a man has been cuckholded ("wears the horns") and also to ward off the evil eye. Mano means "hand" and corno means "horn."
The evil eye is believed to harm nursing mothers and their babies, bearing fruit trees, milking animals, and the sperm of men -- the forces of generation. The Neapolitan custom of making cornuto charms from silver (formerly sacred to the moon goddess Luna) and blood coral (formerly sacred to the sea goddess Venus) hints at the cultural survival of a link between the horned animal head and ancient worship of a neolithic-era mother- or fertility-goddess whose consort was a male deity sometimes called the Horned God. Whether or not this is the case, the cornuto is still a popular amulet worn by Italian men to protect their genitalia from the evil eye.
The apotropaic use of coral is evident in another Italian charm against the evil eye -- the coral twig. This is nothing more than a polished branch of pink or red coral, worn as a pendant or pin. Unlike the corno, which has a phallic import, the coral twig, which may resemble the branched horns of a deer, is considered suitable for girls or young women to wear. Also, not being hand-carved, it is a cheaper charm. It can be found in the form of a brooch as well as the traditional pendant.
The amulets shown at the top of the page are, from left to right, a red coral corno purchased in Florence, Italy in 1970, a coral twig amulet, and a modern pewter reproduction of a 19th century silver corno amulet. My mother, knowing how much i liked cornicelli, bought the coral one because i was pregnant. She intend to give it to my child if he was a boy -- but she did not show it to me at the time because my child turned out to be a girl, and the corno is only worn by boys and men. In 1995, when i started the Lucky W Amulet Archive, she brought it out of wherever it is that mothers keep such things and donated it to "the collection."
Less traditional than the coral corno is the giant red plastic one surmounted by a gold-toned crown shown at right. I first saw these in the 1970s in New York and California, both regions with a large Italian-American population. Too big to be carried as a key ring, this 6" long crowned corno is designed to be hung from the rear-view mirror of a car. This usage derives from the ancient custom of protecting draft horses and mules from the envious eye of strangers, concern for their well-being being transferred to the automobile. This plastic charm is stamped "Italy," faintly visible below the crown. Non-Italians who see them in cars sometimes think these cornos are giant chili peppers, but such is obviously not the case.
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Updated On: 8/17/04 at 09:34 PM
#3628The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:38pmOrion that's funny !!!! Well her other superstition is that the dead come out on Christmas Eve. You have to leave a broom outside every door into your home. The belief is that the dead have to count each bristle before they can enter and by time they count them (I guess they can lose count, or they're slow counters), the sun is up and they have to go back to their graves.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
#3629The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:41pm
"red plastic one surmounted by a gold-toned crown"
When I bought the car I had before this one, my friend gave me one of these. It's a keychain and I keep it in the car, so she won't get insulted. My friend from California was recently here and she wanted to know why I had a chili pepper hanging in my car. Her mom does have a weird name for the evil eye, though. I'll have to ask her what it is, cause now it's going to bother me.
I hung out with Cheyenne Jackson in his dressing room waayyyyyy before he tickled D2. "unleash the girly"
Our fingerprints don't fade from the lives we touch.
Puppies are babies in fur coats.
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#3630The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:41pmI ahve both those amulets, embarassed to admit it. The small horn and the hand with the two extended fingers. I don't wear them but, the significance is so ingrained in my mind that I can't get rid of them.
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#3631The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:46pm
You and me both Orion. I was never allowed out of the house if I was going to something special without them on. Grandma checked you at the door.
bdwaygirl..I'm not sure how you pronounce it but it's like:
Male-ochi
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
#3632The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:48pmbdwaygirl...check to see if the crown of your "pepper" turns. Some of them turn and hanging inside is a hunchback holding a horseshoe. I'm not sure of his significance, but check anyway.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
#3633The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:49pmTHAT'S IT!!! Did you cheat and ask Grandma?
I hung out with Cheyenne Jackson in his dressing room waayyyyyy before he tickled D2. "unleash the girly"
Our fingerprints don't fade from the lives we touch.
Puppies are babies in fur coats.
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#3634The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:51pm
It's either malocchi or malocchio. I've heard it both ways and I think it depnds on which part of Italy you are from.
I never heard about the dead coming on christmas but, I was taught that if you stood in the center of a crossroad with a pitchfork to your neck on All Hallows Eve, you would see the dead walking. Yeah, I think you'd easily see the dead if you're standing in an inetsection holding a pitch fork to your throat.
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#3635The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:53pmI love all of those old superstitions....I have a few of my own
"It never bothered me that she called me a c*nt, it bothered me that I answered to it!" Carol Channing about Ethel Merman filming an episode of "The Love Boat"
#3636The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:55pm
hi guys. As usual, missing out on the fun times. What's shakin', gang?
I'm doing a reading of a show this Saturday at the Makor Center. For those of you with nothing to do and a sort of roadside wreck rubbernecking mentality, you should come by and see how well I do learning two 15 minute musicals the day before.
#3637The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:56pmNope. Just went out and checked. It doesn't turn or come apart. Very interesting, though.
I hung out with Cheyenne Jackson in his dressing room waayyyyyy before he tickled D2. "unleash the girly"
Our fingerprints don't fade from the lives we touch.
Puppies are babies in fur coats.
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#3638The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 9:56pm
Orion...very funny, I never heard that one but I need to go buy a pitch fork now.
Yes I did cheat and ask grandma. Now she's going on and on about teaching me the prayer. See there's a prayer you can learn to ward off the curse, but you can only learn it in on Christmas Eve. She now wants to teach it to me, but she only knows it in Italian and I don't speak the language, so there's a problem. Once you learn the prayer you can say the prayer on anyone who believes they've been "over-looked". You need to hold something they've touched or hold their head and say the prayer to yourself.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
#3639The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:00pm
Seriously, guys, I ask for so little. Notice me, say nice things to me, help me hit 1000 posts. Am I asking for too much?
#3640The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:02pmbwaysinger how many more posts until 1000???
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
#3641The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:02pm
You've got time between now and Christmas Eve to learn enough Italian to learn the prayer. This way you'll be able to help the "overlooked"!
Hi Bwaysinger. You're coming on board and I'm getting ready to go nighty-night. What's up with that?
I hung out with Cheyenne Jackson in his dressing room waayyyyyy before he tickled D2. "unleash the girly"
Our fingerprints don't fade from the lives we touch.
Puppies are babies in fur coats.
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#3642The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:03pmHi BWsinger (AKA The Boy), how are you this evening? What's new. I hear you're really cute and easily trained. There, enough attention?
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#3643The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:04pm
He's totally cute and seemed very trainable to me. 
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
#3644The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:05pmJeez, I need like 669. I only just hit 300 sometime today.
I hung out with Cheyenne Jackson in his dressing room waayyyyyy before he tickled D2. "unleash the girly"
Our fingerprints don't fade from the lives we touch.
Puppies are babies in fur coats.
Tinfoil...The Terrorizing Terminator
#3645The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:05pm
Totally trainable. BOOOOBS, the total is under 20. :)
NYAdgal, we must be the same person, that's why We can't be on at the same time.
Notice I am suddenly capitalizing letters Randomly.
:)
#3646The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:07pmAre you in Athens too??? NYadgal is in Athens or may be on her way home right now.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
#3647The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:07pmI don't even pay attention to how many posts I have. What happens when you hit 1000?
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#3648The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:07pm
You hit legend status!
#3649The Adults will continue smoking, in this or another thread.
Posted: 8/17/04 at 10:08pmBWBoobs, I have heard that about him.
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