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#1

Death

What people's thoughts on death and what it is? I find it difficult to comprehend the theory that a living person, capable of thought, reasoning and emotion can suddenly cease to exist. That there is nothing after we have shuffled off this mortal coil. I also find it hard to believe in the concept of a beautiful paradise with winged creatures playing harps and eating grapes all day.

What do you all belive happens to us when our time here ends?
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Wow, Orion....Deep. But a question I've pondered myself.

Here's what I think, for whatever it's worth. There's no heaven (as shoved down our throats in sunday school). There's no hell -- or rather, if there is a hell, we're living it now.

I think that when our physical bodies die, we do go on -- although in what form, I dunno. This isn't based on some religious belief of mine -- it's pure common sense. The first thing we learn in elementary science class is that "energy" can neither be created or destroyed...it just "is". That's what we are, once you get past the muscles, the blood, the enzymes, etc. -- we are "energy". There's a spark inside each one of us -- an electrical charge, if you will, an energy -- that propels us, that powers us, that makes us "us".

So when this life is over, and our bodies expire, that energy has to go somewhere...it doesn't just dissipate into the ether. It can't. We may come back in another life, I dunno. But I do know that this life we're living now is not "the final frontier" -- it could be the "beginning frontier" for some of us.

Again, just my personal thoughts and beliefs. Flame me, oh cynical masses, if you must.
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My father used to say "if Harry Houdini can't contact us from the beyond, no one can." When I see these psychics on tv talking to people's relatives who have passed on, it makes me sick. My very close relative has terminal cancer and she is watching (is it John Edwards?) tv psychics, wearing angel pins, it's so heartbreaking. The thought of heaven is comforting and it would be so much easier to believe it exists.
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From personal experience I think they do. My dad passed away in may from a battle with lung cancer he was only 58 and I can tell you, he DEFIANTLY let his presence be known. I think he did it more at the beginning (which was weird and freaky) and now I get a weird little something every couple of months that freaks me a little bit. I think at the beginning it was his way of letting us know he WAS there. I do not know call me a freak but I do believe.

so here is my TRUE TRUE STORY. I am not saying all should believe I am saying I am now a believer because of this cause it went beyond reason.

a month after my dad passed away my dad's work buddies stopped by my mom house and they gave her a card from everyone with $1000 in it. they presented her a duplicate plaque that they had put up at his desk in GE that says here worked a hardworking man with his name who can not be replaced on and on, and included his employee badge number 446...how sweet huh, I was all like chocked up when my mom read it...here is the freaky part. I have one of my dad's watches the one he wore up till his death, (they made us grab his things they took off the watch so I had to grab it cause they hustled us out I still wear it today) my mom said hey I found his other old watch, do you want it I said no you keep it (or give it to one of my sisters) well, she said the watch has been waking her up. it keeps going off at this off time..she said, I think I am going to play the lottery with the #. you know what time it has been going off since she found it like 3 days after his death 4:46 am. (his badge #) my dad would NEVER set it for that early he worked the 3rd shift.......my mother said I took the watch down for the bedroom and showed them (his work buddies)they were all freaked out and she never knew that was his employee id was 446 and I promise you he would have NEVER set it for that time regardless. We had a hard enough time as kids for x-mas early he was NOT a morning person. He came home around 12 and was out cold about 1:00. He was NOT nostalgic and would have set his old watch to it by any means. he usually got a new watch ready to toss the old one. so it was the freakiest thing cause I knew of the # cause she made me play it one day for the lottery so when she said how there was the # to the plaque I WAS even taken back.

So weird little thing that kind of makes me believe they do let you know I am ok, so you try to be too. But I understand people who do not believe, cause I probably would not either if I was not in the situation I was in. Like I said too...it was not just that a few weird things so makes you think.


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I've always felt the same way about our energy having to go somewhere. It is just inconcievable to me that it just ends. That's not just hopeful thinking,it just doesn't make sense that there could be nothingness. If there were, then our time on earth is really rather meaningless. I wish I could know for sure what it is we go on to.

I love that story, Karma. I do belive it was a sign. Others might say it's coincidence but, I don't belive in coincidence.
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Thank you Orion. Freaky Deaky stuff I tell you...I am a firm believer. I have a funny story about a hoop earring that fell out of my ear literally 5 x these past 10 months and every time I thought it is lost I find it plain as day in places it was not there the night before. ONE was my outside banister. My friend Natalie was FREAKED out cause she was with me when I lost it twice and was with me when I found it on the banister. The thing was he had a thing about me losing them cause my ears are sensitive so I bought these $30 hoops and I lost them a lot and he thought it was outrageous to keep buying the same pair. (He was a coupon KING) but I have YET to loose this pair. Could be coincidence, to me it is not cause they are not ruined in anyway and neatly placed out so it is odd to my standards.
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We're in hell right now. Every action we take now determines in what way we find heaven. Eventually after we die God will reward us with everlasting happiness, but now we're being tested on how we conduct our lives. If I didn't believe in some kind of heaven, I couldn't face death every time I went to work.

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As someone of the Jewish faith, I don't believe in hell. However, according to a friend (yes, bizarrely we're still friends) I am going to hell due to the fact I don't belive in the underlying Christian principles.
So, to that end I am inviting whoever wants to come to my tea party in hell. Special guests will include Gandhi, the Dali Lama, Buddah, & Hitler (as there are no levels of hell). Come one come all, reservations not needed.
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emokeygirl you must see Caroline, or Change just to see your post realized onstage.
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I believe in the Biblical idea. We are a spirit, we have a soul (our mind, our will and our emotions) and we live in a body. When it is our time to die, the spirit and soul separate from the body. Each spirit stands before God and gives account of what they have done while on Earth.
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We like to think as humans that we know a lot, but the truth is we know very little about the universe. Think of what people will think of our current knowledge 1,000 years from now? We don't understand a lot of things, and things that are generally accepted as fact now may be completely disproved in the future. Personally being Catholic I do believe in a Creator and in God. I do not even begin to claim to understand God, I don't think it is possible for the human brain to comprehend some things about the universe. I personally don't believe that it is possible for someone to cease to exist, there is so much more to a human being than just being a computer. Conciusness is another thing I can never hoe to understand that spark when the egg and sperm unite...is that the beginning of conciousness, memory can pass away but I am not so sure what exactly happens to our conciousness or soul if you will. I find that most people who work with the dying believe in an afterlife of some sort. I have also heard stories of people dying with looks of utter horror when they are supposedly completely unconcious to the world around them. If you think about it our bodies are made up of pure energy when you get down to subatomic particles and such. We don't seem to understand it but it seems somehow we know as humans that this isn't the end for the most part. Our bodies are hard wired for spirituality in whatever form you believe.
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I too believe what the bible says about death, that we will either go to heaven or hell. That is an interesting belief on death rlbgbc btw. I do think that everyone DOES have a soul no matter how evil or bad, but if we are good on Earth, we will go to the promisland. I do sometimes wonder what forever is. The bible says that God is building a room for each of us in heaven if we accept him as our personal savior. Will we just be in a paradise forever? Or does a cycle take place like we will live in Heaven for a little bit and go back to earth as babies again. Forever in heaven, there will be no days because you won't need to count down to anything. I guess everyone will see when we pass on. wow this is a deep thread. Sorry if this post is too biblical!

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I remember a priest once told me Hell may not be fire & brimstone but the absence of God for eternity sort of like being in limbo for eternity. Eternity is a bit much to contemplate
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It's interesting to see that even though the ideas of what happens after death vary according to personal beliefs, most people seem to feel taht this life is not the end. I've recently been asking people outside of this board the same question and find to be true overall that the majority believe in some continuation after we are gone from here.


Now I sure as hell hope that that turns out to be true.

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#17

Death

Death—an interesting subject. I have so many problems with religion and the Bible, the concept of Heaven and /or Hell is just one of them. I won’t go into it or you'll have at least a hundred page essay to read.

The only thing I will say is that if there is a Heaven or a Hell, I’m sure I’ll have friends in both places. That is if Heaven will take me or the Devil isn’t afraid I’ll take over.

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Wow tommyboy...I think you're right!

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