For gay marriage/against polygamy
For gay marriage/against polygamy
#0For gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:10amOkay, having had too little sleep in the last few days, I need help. One of my customers (Republican) wants to know that if he supported gay marriage, what would stop people from pushing through support for polygamy. I need help in formulating an argument that supports gay marriage while refuting polygamy. And since most of the people on this board are articulate, and intelligent, I am asking for your help.
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#1re: For gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:14amWell, marriage means a connection, polygamy does not. It's pretty obvious. If you're married you have one partner. After all there is no talk of inventing a marriage with 3 and more partners *lol*
#2re: For gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:16am
Just as man polyamists were/are heterosexual as homosexual. Did making heterosexual marriage a legal, governmentally-regulated pact suddenly cause clamor for that?
Nope?
There's your argument. It's about as sound a theory as saying same sex marriage is going to give rise to raccoon/human marriage.
Updated On: 8/25/06 at 11:16 AM
#3re: For gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:16amWell, i think what the OP is saying is that if marriage is not defined as a union between A man and A woman, as tot be altered for gay marriage, then polygamists who want to have several husbands or wives wouldn't be able to be stopped.
#4re: For gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:20am
Iheart, I thank you! That is the point I am trying to argue---making gay marriage legal, while not advocating polygamy (my customer also brought up incest, but that was an easy out!)
#5for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:20am
the senator asks me to remind bway, that the fear is not 'coons, but box turtles. senator man-on-dog was unavailable for comment.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
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he was the gimmicky sort
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#6for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:22am
Papa, I beg you, get rid of that picture. It is far too big.
And Magdalene, no worries--I've been contemplating this argument for awhile The simple solution is just to outlaw polygamy altogether. It's not that I really have a problem with polygamy anyway, as long as I'm not involved.
#7for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:22am
Ah. Well, the thing is, they're scared of this, but, really, every dog I've ever propositioned isn't really interested.
#8re: For gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:23am
As a gay male, my only choice for a sexual partner would be another male. Without gay marriage, I have no legal recourse to secure such a relationship with the befefits provided to heterosexual couples.
A polyamorist is either heterosexual, homosexual or somewhere in between. If there was gay marriage, he/she would have some means of recourse to set up a relationship that satisfies the basic sexual desire either way. If he/she wants more in addition to that, then that's an entirely different arguement.
#9for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:23am
Also, changing the definition of marriage wouldn't even cover polygamy. In order to legalize that you would have to change other laws (i.e. must be legally divorced before getting married again.).
Polygamists are not in 1 more than two person relationship. They are in seperate two people relationships all at once. So it has nothing to do with the definition of marriage.
#10re: For gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:25am
it's not that i really have a problem with polygamy anyway, as long as i'm not involved.
a brilliantly insightful piece of reasoning here.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
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blueroses
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/18/04
#11re: For gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:27am
"The simple solution is just to outlaw polygamy altogether."
It's already illegal.
#12for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:28amshhhhh, blue, you'll just confuse her.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#13for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:29amBlueroses, thank you, I thought it was but I wasn't sure if it was everywhere.
#14for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:34am
Oh please, they should just legalize polygamy. That's the only reason Brad, Angelina and I have yet to to make our love public!
A marriage should just be defined as two and only two adults entering into partnership. Right wingers always want to go straight from gay marriage to polygamy and beastiality. And they say we are the freaks.
#15for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:43am
allowing gays to marry isn't redefining marriage any more than allow people of different races marry. you are simply removing a suspect class status from the issue. first it was race that was removed. gay marriage is asking that gender be removed as a factor. you are saying two people marry, regardless of race, religion, gender, etc.
polygamy redefines marriage as it brings up issues of multiples. and the debate over polygamy should have no bearing in morality but in legal issues: divorce, death, inheritance, children, etc. you can't assume that a polygamous or polyamorous is one man with individual relationships. it could be a unit where all involved love each other and believe that they should all be in a union together. the question should be dealt with from a legal stance. are there inherent reasons why we should outlaw marriages between more than two people.
but ultimately, they are distinctly different issues and there isn't a slippery slope.
#16for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:49amsen. box turtle thanks you for making his argument, jerby.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#17for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:53amWhat is the design on Sen. Box Turtle's tie? Human hearts?
#18for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:54amoh how I wait in aching anticipation for you to tell me how on earth I made an argument that a supporter of a gay marriage ban could love.
blueroses
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/18/04
#20for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:59amyou followed your defense of gay marriage with a justification of polygamy. slippery slope? you should know, pal, yer sliding down it.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#21for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 12:06pm
It's apples and oranges, just another false straw-man argument set up by bigots. It's as false and as hateful as equating homsexuality to child molesting.
My advice: Don't engage in the debate on his bigoted terms. Educate him about honoring loving same-sex unions.
Remind him that polygamy, like divorce, is a heterosexual problem.
#22for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 12:09pm
I do not judge polygamy or polyamory. and I don't think people should judge any marriage issue from a 'moral' pov.
I did not make a case for or against the right for polygamists to marry. I merely posed the questions people should be asking--ones that are not moralcentric.
and I argued that these are distinct issues and thus gay marriage would not lead to polygamy.
if u want to warp all that, help yourself.
#23for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 12:11pm
can we please NOT post HUGE pictures......it really makes it difficult to read and post a comment, as it make the screen huge......
Papa find a smaller picture....NOW (I am feeling quite butch today)
#24for gay marriage/against polygamy
Posted: 8/25/06 at 12:13pmI'm with you, Elphaba. i don't think the picture's that necessary anyway, especially if it's going to make the scroll bar apear at the bottom of my screen.
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