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#1

For gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:10am

Okay, having had too little sleep in the last few days, I need help. One of my customers (Republican) wants to know that if he supported gay marriage, what would stop people from pushing through support for polygamy. I need help in formulating an argument that supports gay marriage while refuting polygamy. And since most of the people on this board are articulate, and intelligent, I am asking for your help.
"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!"
#2

re: For gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:14am

Well, marriage means a connection, polygamy does not. It's pretty obvious. If you're married you have one partner. After all there is no talk of inventing a marriage with 3 and more partners *lol*
#3

re: For gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:16am

Just as man polyamists were/are heterosexual as homosexual. Did making heterosexual marriage a legal, governmentally-regulated pact suddenly cause clamor for that?
Nope?

There's your argument. It's about as sound a theory as saying same sex marriage is going to give rise to raccoon/human marriage.

Updated On: 8/25/06 at 11:16 AM

#4

re: For gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:16am

Well, i think what the OP is saying is that if marriage is not defined as a union between A man and A woman, as tot be altered for gay marriage, then polygamists who want to have several husbands or wives wouldn't be able to be stopped.
"I can't figure out what kind of life this is, comedy or tragedy, I just know it's showbiz. And what if I don't agree with the lines I have to read? They don't pay me enough, the way I see it."
#5

re: For gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:20am

Iheart, I thank you! That is the point I am trying to argue---making gay marriage legal, while not advocating polygamy (my customer also brought up incest, but that was an easy out!)

"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!"

Updated On: 8/25/06 at 11:20 AM

#6

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:20am

for gay marriage/against polygamy

the senator asks me to remind bway, that the fear is not 'coons, but box turtles. senator man-on-dog was unavailable for comment.
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#7

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:22am

Papa, I beg you, get rid of that picture. It is far too big.

And Magdalene, no worries--I've been contemplating this argument for awhile The simple solution is just to outlaw polygamy altogether. It's not that I really have a problem with polygamy anyway, as long as I'm not involved.
"I can't figure out what kind of life this is, comedy or tragedy, I just know it's showbiz. And what if I don't agree with the lines I have to read? They don't pay me enough, the way I see it."
#8

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:22am

Ah. Well, the thing is, they're scared of this, but, really, every dog I've ever propositioned isn't really interested.
#9

re: For gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:23am

As a gay male, my only choice for a sexual partner would be another male. Without gay marriage, I have no legal recourse to secure such a relationship with the befefits provided to heterosexual couples.

A polyamorist is either heterosexual, homosexual or somewhere in between. If there was gay marriage, he/she would have some means of recourse to set up a relationship that satisfies the basic sexual desire either way. If he/she wants more in addition to that, then that's an entirely different arguement.
#10

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:23am

Also, changing the definition of marriage wouldn't even cover polygamy. In order to legalize that you would have to change other laws (i.e. must be legally divorced before getting married again.).

Polygamists are not in 1 more than two person relationship. They are in seperate two people relationships all at once. So it has nothing to do with the definition of marriage.
"We don't value the lily less for not being made of flint and built to last. Life's bounty is in it's flow, later is too late. Where is the song when it's been sung, the dance when it's been danced? It's only we humans who want to own the future too." - Tom Stoppard, Shipwreck

Updated On: 8/25/06 at 11:23 AM

#11

re: For gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:25am

it's not that i really have a problem with polygamy anyway, as long as i'm not involved.

a brilliantly insightful piece of reasoning here.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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#12

re: For gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:27am

"The simple solution is just to outlaw polygamy altogether."

It's already illegal.
#13

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:28am

shhhhh, blue, you'll just confuse her.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#14

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:29am

Blueroses, thank you, I thought it was but I wasn't sure if it was everywhere.
"I can't figure out what kind of life this is, comedy or tragedy, I just know it's showbiz. And what if I don't agree with the lines I have to read? They don't pay me enough, the way I see it."
#15

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:34am

Oh please, they should just legalize polygamy. That's the only reason Brad, Angelina and I have yet to to make our love public!

A marriage should just be defined as two and only two adults entering into partnership. Right wingers always want to go straight from gay marriage to polygamy and beastiality. And they say we are the freaks.
Pretty pretty please don't you ever ever feel like you're less than f**ckin' perfect!
#16

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:43am

allowing gays to marry isn't redefining marriage any more than allow people of different races marry. you are simply removing a suspect class status from the issue. first it was race that was removed. gay marriage is asking that gender be removed as a factor. you are saying two people marry, regardless of race, religion, gender, etc.

polygamy redefines marriage as it brings up issues of multiples. and the debate over polygamy should have no bearing in morality but in legal issues: divorce, death, inheritance, children, etc. you can't assume that a polygamous or polyamorous is one man with individual relationships. it could be a unit where all involved love each other and believe that they should all be in a union together. the question should be dealt with from a legal stance. are there inherent reasons why we should outlaw marriages between more than two people.

but ultimately, they are distinctly different issues and there isn't a slippery slope.
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#17

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:49am

sen. box turtle thanks you for making his argument, jerby.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#21

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:59am

you followed your defense of gay marriage with a justification of polygamy. slippery slope? you should know, pal, yer sliding down it.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#22

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 12:06pm

It's apples and oranges, just another false straw-man argument set up by bigots. It's as false and as hateful as equating homsexuality to child molesting.

My advice: Don't engage in the debate on his bigoted terms. Educate him about honoring loving same-sex unions.

Remind him that polygamy, like divorce, is a heterosexual problem.
#23

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 12:09pm

I do not judge polygamy or polyamory. and I don't think people should judge any marriage issue from a 'moral' pov.

I did not make a case for or against the right for polygamists to marry. I merely posed the questions people should be asking--ones that are not moralcentric.

and I argued that these are distinct issues and thus gay marriage would not lead to polygamy.

if u want to warp all that, help yourself.
johnraymondbarker.com
#24

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 12:11pm

can we please NOT post HUGE pictures......it really makes it difficult to read and post a comment, as it make the screen huge......
Papa find a smaller picture....NOW (I am feeling quite butch today)
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956

Updated On: 8/25/06 at 12:11 PM

#25

for gay marriage/against polygamy

Posted: 8/25/06 at 12:13pm

I'm with you, Elphaba. i don't think the picture's that necessary anyway, especially if it's going to make the scroll bar apear at the bottom of my screen.
"I can't figure out what kind of life this is, comedy or tragedy, I just know it's showbiz. And what if I don't agree with the lines I have to read? They don't pay me enough, the way I see it."

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