For those of you who read the 6th Harry Potter book.- Page 2

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 6:10am

You'll have to PM me with your thoughts on Athens, Rome, London and Brussels! Did you give Paris a pass?

(I'm heading to sleep now, but gimme a nice long vaca-review when you get a chance!)

[paradox_error]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 6:12am

Will do.

I'll do Paris in my next break. I don't have the money now...

[Therese]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 8:50am

More thoughts. I think Snape's a goner in Book 7, but only after we find out that he really was fighting on the side of good against Voldy. I also think she still has to have a Pettigrew/Lupin showdown, which I've always assumed would bode ill for poor Remus, but we'll see.

I've read Book 6 only once yet and haven't really studied it as some have, so others are welcome to shoot down my guesses/interpretations. I don't think Dumbledore planned or foresaw the climactic events of the book; I think it was one of those chains-of-events where one mishap triggers another until everything piles up in tragedy. First, Snape gets roped into the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa - I don't think he knows at that point what Draco's task is; he's trying to manipulate Cissy and Bella to find out. Once he finds out - oh, bloody hell, this is bad... Draco's task is to kill Dumbledore; Draco comes up with the idea of the travelling cabinets on his own (he ditches his mother to visit Knockturn Alley and tells Borgin not to tell anyone, even her, what he's up to) so he can call in some Death Eater backup when the time comes. Snape tells Dumbledore about Draco and the Vow, and Dumbles tells Snape we can't let Draco do murder; if push comes to shove, you're going to have to kill me to spare him. Dumbles has figured that Voldy has been making Horcruxes, for which Harry gets confirmation from Slughorn. He has a good guess at where one is (the Cave where Young Tom terrorized the little orphans years ago), and he can bet that V will have gone to great pains to protect it, and there will be grave danger in recovering it, but I don't think he knows just what he's facing until he and Harry get there and D realizes what he's going to have to do. I do NOT think he has any reason to know or believe that the object in the basin in the cave is a decoy and not the real locket/horcrux. I think he does know that once he drinks the potion he is doomed, and that once Draco has put his plot in motion, D needs Snape to kill him to fulfill the Vow. I think Snape is thoroughly furious/ frustrated /pick some words by the end of all this because he's been forced to do something that has now made him Public Enemy #1 to D's allies, and his life is now royally screwed up. (Whew, that got long!)

I don't think that anyone was using polyjuice or masquerading as anyone else in this - It would be too much of a cop-out, and she already pulled that trick in Book 4.

[Craig]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 9:17am

- I think book 6 (I've only read it once when it first came out so my memory's fading) says that Voldemort has to conscientiously make the horcruxes. If we assume Harry became a horcrux the night his parents were killed and that Voldemort's powers were accidentally transferred into him when Vold actually intended to kill him, then he couldn't have become a horcrux...at least at that point.

Ahh but isn't it possible that what the reader doesn't know yet is that Voldemort did indeed want harry to be a horcrux but it "backfired" because of the love of Harry's mom and therefor it not only detroyed him, but left harry with his mark? Just a thought

[TheHumanTorch]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 9:41am

In response to the Polyjuice thing, I would never believe Dumbledore to be capable of killing Snape, even if he did take the Unbreakable Vow... from what I think I know of Dumbledore's character, he would definately die himself before killing someone innocent...

[My Fair Lady]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 9:47am

Oyyy. You guys think a lot.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:15pm

Mmm...interesting point, Craig. In that case then, do you think that Harry still became a horcrux (albeit one that harmed Voldemort greatly), or just that he received some of Voldemort's powers?

Therese, I agree with you on the Snape/Dumbledore/Draco plotline.

[Taryn]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:22pm

I can't buy that Voldemort intended to make Harry a horcrux. After all, we KNOW that he tried to KILL Harry. Harry has infantile memories of the event. How could you make a dead body a horcrux?

I'd allow a little more leeway with the idea that Harry is an ACCIDENTAL Horcrux due to the whole backfiring reaction, taking into consideration Dumbledore's idea that Voldemort intended to use Harry's death to create his seventh Horcrux, but it still doesn't site quite right with me.

[manders]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:59pm

I think Harry being a Horcrux is a possibility because it would exlpain the weird link between them. And Harry doesn't really have to kill himself to destroy the Horcrux does he? The ring Dumbledore wore was in perfect condition and no longer a Hocrux.

I don't believe Harry will die in the next book. I think it's pretty much been decided that Harry will fulfill the prophecy and if "neither can live while the other survives" then I would infer that one will die and one will survive. Assuming that, if harry died Voldemort would still be alive. And I'd like to believe Rowling is a good person and wouldn't do that to us readers.

I have a friend who believes that Ron is actually Dumbledore. Anyone else believe this theory? I think it's complete BS from what he used to prove it and I'd like to hear other arguments. He says that Ron grew up and travelled back in time so that he's an old man and a young boy at the same time. I think since Hermione mentioned that terrible things happen to wizards who mess with time, this is not a very plausible point. Any other thoughts?

[Caroline-Q-or-TBoo]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:11pm

god! how about that damn book cover! i only have the british version and it is HORRIBLE! AH!

[LoudIrishGirl]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:18pm

Um, Ron is not Dumbledore.

In book two through Tom Riddle we see Dumbledore as he was younger with brown hair, I believe. NOT the flaming red hair that Ron has. Plus, if Ron was Dumbledore then he would display the amazing power that Dumbledore has. Which he does not.

Sorry, but Ron is DEFINITLY not dumbledore.

[manders]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:31pm

i'm glad I have some support =)

[Therese]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 5:07pm

Thanks, Tiff. And I like your avatar.

Darn it, I wish I had a cite for this, but I'm just certain I read in one of the interviews she did around the new book that JKR specifically said that Voldy used the Avada Kedavra / "killing" curse on Harry, which would mean that he definitely wasn't an intentional Horcrux.

Oh, and I think that Ron-as-Dumbledore idea has been floating around the fandom for a while, and I don't buy it, and I don't know how it gained so much traction. BTW, young(er) Dumbledore has auburn hair, which is a darker red-brown color.

[TheHumanTorch]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 6:16pm

For Harry to be one of Voldemort's Horcruxes, he would have to have part of his soul inside of him and although we have seen Harry extremely upset and angry in various parts of the series... i don't personally think we've seen the blinding rage come out of Harry, which is a part of voldemort's soul. Harry didn't have enough hate in him to perform an unforgivable curse on Sirius' murderer, and I think if he had a part of Voldemort's soul he would have killed her.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 7:01pm

Therese, I remember JK saying that too. Was it in the joint MuggleNet/Leaky Cauldron interview or on her official site? I could've sworn I read that two weeks ago.



You know, in theory, Voldemort could get rid of one horcrux and still have 6 others in tact without any harm done (to him), right? It doesn't really make sense that Voldemort deliberately made Harry a horcrux if he's trying to live out the prophesy. Does the horcrux object need to be present at the time of the required killing sacrifice? If that's the case, then maybe someone/thing else was meant to become a horcrux the night Harry's family was killed.

[Caroline-Q-or-TBoo]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 8:16pm

why am i strangely addicted to this book series now?

[Therese]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 9:53pm

Tiff, I think it had to be the MuggleNet/Leaky Cauldron interview - Someone was posting excerpts/highlights of that on the alt.fan.harry-potter usenet group, and I'm pretty sure that's where I read it.

[Caroline-Q-or-TBoo]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 10:35pm

hmm... never thought of that but it seems to complicated

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/15/05 at 3:57am

CurtainUp, I think you could be right!

Someone was asking, if Harry was a horcrux, why doesn't he feel/express Voldemort-like levels of anger or evilness. I think containing one's soul is different than becoming it - Harry wouldn't just take on Voldemort's characteristic traits, but more likely would also feel what Voldemort feels when Voldemort feels it.

It makes sense then that the scar is the horcrux, because Harry's forehead feels a burst of pain when Voldemort has extreme feelings.

[LilMiZBroADwaY23]

Posted: 8/15/05 at 10:13am

If Harry dies... in the end, I don't think I will ever be the same... again. *see avatar and signature*

But all these horcurxes are so damn confusing. Though it's definitley a great plot turner. I could also see harry being a horcruxe, or atleast his scar. It definitley makes sense. Because how would they really know that a lighning-bolt scar on the forehead means they survived the killing curse, when no one survived it?

Off-topic anyone seen the trailor for GOF and totally psyched?
Updated On: 8/15/05 at 10:13 AM

[TheHumanTorch]

Posted: 8/15/05 at 11:03am

I do really like the idea of Harry's scar as a horcrux, but I still don't believe he is the horcrux.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/15/05 at 4:19pm

I think JK said Harry isn't a Gryffindor descendant, so he wouldn't be the house souvenir that Voldemort is looking for anyway.

[Caroline-Q-or-TBoo]

Posted: 8/15/05 at 5:52pm

yes the GOF trailer is awesome ness.









by the way: if Lily dieing for Harry saved Harry why didn't James dieing save Lily/Harry?

[TheHumanTorch]

Posted: 8/15/05 at 8:30pm

I think it is because (and please correct me if I'm wrong) James had to die, there were no two ways about it... but Lily was given a chance to live if she sacrificed her son Harry... Lily willfully gave her life although she easily could have lived.

[Caroline-Q-or-TBoo]

Posted: 8/15/05 at 9:32pm

well so much for THAT theory in which we could bring a whole nother "james was in love with another" plot...

ah well...

HAHa