Gay Marriage- Page 2

[Broadwaybaby614]

Posted: 6/24/04 at 11:54pm

I did what now??

Oh...****...

I put the thing in the wrong place. I do that a lot.

Let's try this again...
Where Is My Gay Apocolypse?

[aspiringguy715]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 12:01am

i love the sarcastic tone the author used, it really helped get his/her point across.
this needs to be distributed to all the homophobic "Christians."
the only hope i can say is that my kids will definitly be open minded and tolerant, if i'm able to have a recognized union, then my gay friends who may have even a stronger love for their partner should.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 10:54am

It's all semantics. As long as the law refers to "marriage", then it is attached to the religious definition of a union between man and woman regardless of ability to procreate. Basing a law directly upon religion that denies citizens of equal rights is supposed to be against one of the basic staples of our government - the separation of church and state. In order for there to be equal rights, the ceremony for heterosexuals may be called a "marriage", but it should not be recognized as such by the government. In order for this to work, the term "union" should be applied to all legally recognized couples and leave the term "marriage" to those who desire to be recognized specifically by the church for religious purposes. Many churches have already agreed to recognize homosexual unions, so the rights are protected for all and the sanctity of the word "marriage" is upheld by the Republicans whose churches don't recognize gay unions. It can work, but people are getting too wrapped up in the semantics of the one word to see that it is not the word, but the legal rights that are the real issue.

Personally, I could care less about if I am legally in a "marriage" or "union", but I abhor a government that claims equality for all citizens, yet blatantly refuses rights to those it deems unworthy without just cause.

Updated On: 6/25/04 at 10:54 AM

[Corine2]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 11:00am

I think Gay men and women should be given the same rights as straight men and women. I don't understand what the big deal is.
It is called equality.
I hope Marc Shaiman can walk down the isle with Scott Whittman when he is off his crutches.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 12:45pm

I hope they lagalize it... SOON! I watched an episode of "True Life" on MTV last night that followed two twentysoething gay couples.. two men and two lesbians (same thing really.. **ducks to avoid flying objects**) in Mass. who were getting married after they legalized it there.... the two men, Steven and Aaron, were in city Hall at Midnight and was great to see the suport there and teh celebration inside, and heartbreaking to see them watching the Mass. congressional body voting on legislation againsta it..

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 12:49pm

you know, matt, i never knew that stealing your exit would get me this kind of retribution. that's my whole premise, dammit. now i have to go out and find a new argument. or maybe i'll just agree with your sensible pronouncement.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 1:05pm

Or papa, you could create your own dramatic exit.

But if you use mine again....

well....



I just don't want to talk about it!


*quickly turns and runs from the room sobbing dramatically*

(door slam)

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 3:19pm

bobo--please don't separate gays from Christianity--lots of gay Christians and gay friendly churches. What Little Squirrel is alluding to is the idea that the Bible has actually been misinterpreted and not properly translated/adapted over the years.

There are many who feel that all of the verses in the Bible that seem to imply the sin of homosexuality are actually referring to pedophilia, rape, abuse, uncleanness, inhospitality, etc.

I highly recomment the book, What The Bible Really Says About Homosexuality by Daniel A. Helminiak, Ph.D.

[Broadwaybaby614]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 3:33pm

Thank you, jrb, that IS what I meant...

And bobo, I'm not basing all of Christianity on a few psycho priests. Believe me, I wouldn't say something like that. I'm just saying that...Well, I don't want to get very far into this, but the Catholic church (At least the Boston Archdiocese) "looked the other way" for years on the subject of sexual abuse by priests, but they are very quick to say that no one should be given the right to marry someone of the same sex.

That's all.

And as for the people who are against gay marriage but do not necessarily feel that way because of the Bible...well, I think they're just afraid. They go through life thinking something is true, such as the fact that "marriage is between a man and a woman", and then someone challenges it, and they start to think that their world is unraveling.

Come on, people. The world is not going to come to a fiery end beause the man standing next to you on the subway is married to another man. Be accepting. Please.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 3:34pm

the bible is full of nice little contradictions, like speaking out against drunkeness while Jesus turns water into wine. Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. By these and several other statements, true Christians should be prevailing upon our government to EXECUTE wiccans or any people who believe in spiritual beings other than those offered to us in the Bible.
I also like the shrimp reference in the article posted from sfgate. Very funny and reminds me of Buffy.

[dramaqueen]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 4:06pm

mite i just point out that unitarian universalism is a branch of christianity?? ok sorry, and just a funny thing that hapened- i was in social studies class, and this girl who everyone thought was quite homophobic jsut piped up and said- who gives a s**t? why can't they jsut call it "marrahge"? heehee
:)cco

[Broadwaybaby614]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 4:08pm

I used to be a Unitarian. Well, I guess I still am, but I stopped going to church...

[South Fl Marc]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 4:27pm

Bobo, go back to your bible.

The story of Sodom is not about homosexuality. It's about inhospitality. The inhospitality is expressed as a same-gender gang rape threat.

As for references against homosexuality in the New Testament - arguements have been made that they are the result of bad translations and misrepresentations.


In regards to the marriage issue, I think it's wrong that a man and a woman can get married on a whim and have more rights than I do with my partner of 19 years. Because of separation of church and state , there should be no religious arguements for the rights of gays and lesbians to marry.

I also think that GW's pushing this ammendment to the constitution is truly disgusting, but so typical of him.

[Broadwaybaby614]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 4:32pm

Very typical...very typical indeed...

Okay, I'm going out now...but keep posting because I need something to read when I get home...:)

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 6/25/04 at 4:55pm

SF Marc is correct. The story of Sodom is not specifically about homosexuality, but of the brutal rape of two angels. When God sent the two angels to check out the city of Sodom. They stayed in Lot's house and two men knocked on his door and demand that Lot bring out the men (they didn't know they were angels) so they could have sex. Lot said no, but HE OFFERED HIS DAUGHTERS INSTEAD. The guys found the angels and raped them. The angels told Lot and his wife to leave with their children, but the sons didn't believe them. Lot and his daughters escaped with his wife, but of course, she looked back when she wasn't supposed to and turned into a pillar of salt. Lot and his daughters escaped to the city of Zoar. The daughters then got their father drunk and when he had passed out, one at a time, HAD SEX WITH THEIR FATHER (another form of rape) to impregnate themselves.

Thus the Bible teaches us that all homosexuals are rapists and should die, but it's ok for fathers to pimp their daughters, and incest is best.
.

Updated On: 6/25/04 at 04:55 PM

[nystateomind04]

Posted: 6/26/04 at 11:49pm

i think homosexuals should have the right to be married if they please. why they want to do that to themselves is beyond me. why anyone would want to do that to theirself is beyond me. i know im young, but i have an extremely difficult time thinkning of happy couples i know, even among the ones who have been married for years and years. perhaps its the small town- stay married for the kids and so the neighbors won't talk- mentality, but i have severe doubts about the general institution of marriage for straight AND gay people! im not saying that marriage can't work, but what i don't understand (and i realize that this may well be because im young and ignorant) is how in the hell people can make a promise like "im going to spend the rest of my life with you" to somebody, at say... age 28, hell, it could be 38 or 48 for that matter- how do you know what you are going to want in ten years OR FIVE- OR ONE!

but hell, this is the united states of america, and gay people should be able to be just as miserable as straight people if that's what they want

[~FloweryFriend~]

Posted: 6/27/04 at 12:01am

{random comment: if you're ever bored, read Leviticus. It's the rules of the old temple and does not apply AT ALL anymore, but they keep it in the Bible for tradition. It's frickin' hilarious.}

[SexyMelvin]

Posted: 6/27/04 at 12:04am

Excuse me, but I don't find Leviticus to be funny. I find it to be boring as hell. Reading about sacrifices doesn't qualify as a whoop-dee-doo event for me.

[Dawg]

Posted: 6/27/04 at 1:26am

Bobo-think about something...The word Sodomy came from Sodom not the other way around. Because the supposedly heterosexual Christian men who founded our language found what homosexual men did, abbhorent, they took the worst possible part of their scripture and named a sexual act after it.

It was Men who decided homosexuality was unnatural, as it was different from what they did. It was Men who took it upon themselves to persecute people who were different from them for generations to come, and most importantly...IT WAS MEN WHO WROTE THE BIBLE. NOT GOD. Therefore, since I am a man, I have decided that those men were wrong. And my opinion is worth just as much as the opinion of the men who claim to have met and befriended a man named Jesus. What I do in bed is not wrong, evil or in any way shape or form, going to cause the collapse of society's infrastructure as we know it. If it was going to, it would have happened by now.

The sooner people realize that the Bible is a piece of literature, the same way Moby Dick and Great Expectations is, the better off we will all be. Updated On: 6/27/04 at 01:26 AM

[~FloweryFriend~]

Posted: 6/27/04 at 1:48am

Are you kidding me, SexyMelvin?

"Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket, or grasshopper"

Leviticus is hilarious.

[boborunstheshow]

Posted: 6/27/04 at 8:41pm

Jeeze, i would like to adress everyone of your issue, but that would take forever.

So ill just touch on some things

One, i do not hold anyone responsible for following the teachings in the bible unless they believe it to be true.

Two, I said that Sodomy came from the word Sodom. That was the point i made earlier. Yes, sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality. It says that all through the bible


oh, never mind, im done for now. Im going to print out this thread and go work on it and give a better response. If you will excuse me...

[My Fair Lady]

Posted: 6/27/04 at 9:06pm

I have to learn Leviticus next year, in Hebrew, for my school and it's kind of boring when you have to read every commentary possible. The teachers try to make it boring, then give you a final on it.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 6/28/04 at 1:16am

bobo--please gather for us all the times the Bible allegedly says that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality. Please let us know what edition of the Bible, too as homosexual is a 20th century word.

[~FloweryFriend~]

Posted: 6/28/04 at 1:37am

Genesis 13:13
"The men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly."
Nothing about homosexuality.

Sites in the bible where negativity regarding homosexuality:
Leviticus 18:22 states that homosexual acts are an abomination unto God.
Leviticus 20:13 says that homosexuals must be executed.
But I've already told you what I think of Leviticus.
This is the same book that says that if a ruler sins through ignorance, you must kill a male goat, and I haven't seen the Republican party following that rule too closely.
(Leviticus 4:22-26)

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 6/28/04 at 1:42am

and the thing is--that all depends if you choose to translate the Bible to say homosexuality. There are experts who think the words used in the original Bible actually referred to pedophilia.

And, regardless, (in the Christian context) Jesus basically said to nail the Old Testament to the cross.