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Hillary Clinton to invest in "Bombay Dreams"

Anyone else think the brohaha over Hill's Ghandi joke is a tad of an overreaction? Her attempt at deadpan humor -- a throwaway, the subtext of which was "remember him?" -- has been treated as a Trent Lott-ian moment of abject insensitivity to a great man, the Indian culture, and probably gas station workers, too. I don't get it, particularly since her whole point was to reference the spirit of a man she much admires (and knows a lot about, no small thing) in a glib way. And the context was a social occasion. As for her "apology," my subj line I hope says it all. Jeesh, are we that PC crazy? Having been labeled ageist on this very board for suggesting Cathy Rigby might be too long in the tights to keep flying, I'm inordinately "sensitive" to Hill's plight.

I thought Hill's biggest offense at the event was the white lace collar. The Judge Judy look is soooo been there/done that.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling

Updated On: 1/8/04 at 09:43 AM

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We need someone in that position to NOT apologize when something like this happens.

"I was kidding, get over it. If you want to make an issue of it then you have too much free time."

She's playing into them by even feining an apology.
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i have to thank hullary and actually e-mailed her to do so for helping me correct a glaring insufficiency in my profile as a red-neck bigot and champion of intolerance. i did not know anything about this ethnic stereotype regarding gas station owner/operators. fortunately the flap that ensued after what i saw as a hilarious comment has taught me a crucial new stereotype which i can now whip out and brand upon those deserving ethnic minorities as i see fit.

honestly i did think the comment was hilarious just on it's face: the idea that ghandi was just some schmoe from st. louie. but when i told some more enlightened folks about it, they were shocked and dismayed to hear that she would have stooped to such callous language. the whole incident just reinforces the idea that hillary is the best politician on hand today. i have such immese respect for her, even while i disagree adamantly with her on so many, many issues.

of course, this is an issue of sensitivity. while i am quite callous and insensitve to the feelings of others, i am told that racial stereotypes of any kind are frowned upon in edumacated circles. to indians, several of whom i know from work, this was an insult equivalent to suggesting that martin luther king jr. was a drug dealing pimp, "you remember martin luther king, jr., he ran a string of ho's and sold meth down memphis way." the only reason the flap is not louder and more unified is that the indian community is not nearly so vocal and well organized on the political front as some other minority groups.

all that said, it's still funny.
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now see, i would have thought the very same thing, but we are all sadly behind the times (pun fully intended). the new stereotype is gas stations...ghandi: he ain't yer daddy's apu!
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

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if it is true that many (dare i say a majority and i used to live in harlem) of african americans enjoy fried chicken would that be a stereotype?

if it is true that many (if not all) "made" members of the mafia are italian would that be a stereotype?

if it is true that many (including me) persons of irish descent enjoy drinking until they can barely pronounce their own names does that make it a stereotype?

stereotypes often have their roots in fact but are dangerous because they become a short hand way to lump an entire people into an easily identifiable and not always factual category thus depriving them of their individuality and taking a nice little babystep towards being able to see them as something less than you...y'know, "those" people.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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Updated On: 1/8/04 at 12:27 PM

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oh now, son, i think you'd find that the minority party in congress has over the years been a staunch advocate and good friend to the folks that the majority of the country would, has, and does still refer to as "those people." but hey, the more bitterness and condescension i hear from the other side of the aisle the better, it helps drown out the idiocy so often spewed by my own party!!
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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i would like to think that we should hold our leaders to a higher standard that that which we accept from a for-profit industry that contributes more to the numbing of impressionable minds than it does to thoughtful programming.

but wait a minute, why am i arguing? i thought it was funny...****, I'm at war with myself again.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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And to think that I started this thread just to use my subject line (which at 8 a.m. I thought was so damned clever, this being a broadway board n'all. You have to admit, if Hill and Bill show up at BOMBAY, embracing sari-clad chorines, we will have the follow-up photo op of the season.) But what a bracing debate has ensued!

I keep waiting for the cutest Indian on TV to weigh in: CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta. After talking 24/7 about the flu and SARS, you'd think Hill's gaff would be welcome relief.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
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Imagine any Republican saying this & what the reaction would be. I doubt if it were a republican or anyone but Hillary if it would be called an over reaction. I remember Rep Gerry Nadler being called Waddler ( he is huge) & the indignation over it. Guaranteed if a Republican did it, Hillary would be crying about racial insensitivity. Don't think many people of Indian ancestry found it to humorous
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Right. Hilary cannot say "hello" without the right wing talk radio meisters going bananas. EVERY day. I hear Limbaugh the drug addict in cabs and you would think that he hadn't even noticed that "Billary" (as he still insists on calling him/them)are no longer the first couple. Let it go, Rush. Bush became President, not fair and square, but he became President. Why must he still focus on the Clintons this way? They weren't half the liars Bush and his cronies are. MANY fewer people have died as a result of their lies.

But in Roxy's world nobody ever criticizes things Hilary says.
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I guess following the constitution is not fair & square. Naturally nothing is said about Gore's attempt to not have military absentee ballots counted & only ask for recounts in democratic areas of Florida. Well, Dems are famous for questionable elections. JFK's daddy bought the West Virginia primary in 1960 & Illinois was awarded to him after many people had voted twice & dead people were voting. The Dems are old hands at having elections rigged by having bums, dead people & illegal aliens vote . They have developed ballot box stuffing to an art form . The Democratic motto "Vote early & vote often"
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Updated On: 1/8/04 at 07:47 PM

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What's next, Roxy? That FDR could walk?
"Christ, Bette Davis?!?!"
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well, no, silly, of course fdr couldn't walk, but boy-o-boy could that man charleston!!

it's funny in the sensitivity department how so often our views of whether a comment is wrong or not is flavored by our political leanings. now, hil's little joke was in no way on the scale of trent's idiocy which should have gotten him thrown into a sensitivity training course that involved having to listen to wayne brady sing for days at a time. but on the other hand, for folks who are so apt to see the darkness (no pun intended) behind every slip of the tongue by the gop as either "coded racism" or "hate speak" to give hil a pass on this is a bit hypocritical. either you're pc all the time or not. of course, it doesn't help my case that ann coulter's going to have multiple orgasms over this in print...
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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I love that you can actually examine the contradictions and hold them without your head exploding. Roxy never even acknowledges them, he just counterpoints with "Oh yeah??? Well, when Kennedy was elected..."

Yes, it was nowhere near as bad as what Trent Lott said. And I really think that was what Roxy was alluding to in his first post here. Or am I giving him too much credit for historical memory within the last five years?
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nah, you have to give him 5 years as the nadler incident took place in '98. but, in all fairness, al d'amato took things a step further than hil when he reffered to nadler as "waddler" by then walking around like a duck (which is priceless in my sensitivity deprived world). al was on a roll around then because it was around the same time that he was pillioried in the press for calling chuck schumer a "putz." which to me was no big deal, but whew was it a big deal in the press. ahhh, for a time when putz was considered a huge insult. i don't think it would even register now on either side.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
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You note Roxy didn't mention D'Amato's pantomime.
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