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It's Rove! It's Rove! Well, Who Woulda Thought It?

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#2

re: It's Rove! It's Rove! Well, Who Woulda Thought It?

Wow- It's like waking up Christmas morning and getting every present I wanted. It's wonderful but I can't help but feel let down. Let's see what kind of coverage this gets. And folks, this is big. Watergate big. Karl Rove in prison big.

How in the world will this "Support the troops, fly the flag" SOB spin it so it's OK to reveal our secret agents out of spite?

And PJ, I will always remember-- I heard it from YOU first!
#3

re: It's Rove! It's Rove! Well, Who Woulda Thought It?

Caaareful there, PJ. This says that Cooper talked to Rove, not exactly what they talked about. Am I leaning toward the obvious conclusion? Of course. But let's not count our beautiful chickens before they hatch, huh?
#13

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We're all being giddy, but this article in tomorrow's NY Times makes it clear just how serious a crime this was. She was a good spy, an important spy--and Rove attempted to assassinate her politically just like he had done to his opponents for years.

Only this time it didn't occur to him that he was endangering the safety of the country by doing so.

Hopefully, this will convince the media and the American public that he was never a political genius or a patriot; he was always a hired assassin and a thug.
Spy at Center of Leak Case Still in Shadow
#14

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PalJoey! You are my hero...

(I call first Karl Rove Pieing...) re: It's Rove! It's Rove! Well, Who Woulda Thought It?
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#15

It's "TreasonGate"

Treasongate. Treasongate. What a lovely, mellifluous name! After all the bogus "-gate" neologisms coined by the Republicans to hound the Clintons (TravelGate, WhitewaterGate, MonicaGate), this one has a much more serious ring: Treason-Gate.

Karl, what do you call someone who commits legally defined "treason"? A "traitor," maybe? Karl "Traitor" Rove.

This entry from Bob Brigham's brilliant blog puts all the pieces together and ends with a very Nixonian little quote from White House spokesman Scotty "Pee on Me" McClellan:

Q: Did Karl Rove do it?
A: I said, it's totally ridiculous.
TreasonGate: It's the Treason, Not the Lying
#16

It's 'TreasonGate'

Maybe we should change the title of this thread to something similarly succint- "Rove Commits Treason" has a nice ring to it, but I'll defer to PJ on this. :)
#17

It's 'TreasonGate'

I'd like to keep the Bernstein/Comden/Green reference. I think Lenny would have "Roved" it.
#20

It's 'TreasonGate'

This is the spin Rove's lawyer is hoping will save him: "Karl did nothing wrong. Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identity to Mr. Cooper or anybody else ... Who outed this woman? ... It wasn't Karl."

It all hinges on who was the first to name her. The statute only covers "intentionally" revealing the identity of a CIA agent. Rove's defense will be that he thought her identity was ready known--the kind of lawyerly dodge that Republicans used to rail against Clinton for: "I named that CIA agent BUT I DIDN'T INHALE!"

But everyone in the media knows that Rove orchestrated this to get even with her husband: Plame's husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson wrote an op-ed in the NYT that said Bush lied about the uranium in Niger. Plame was working undercover for the CIA finding WMDs and her boss, John Bolton, did not like that she was disagreeing with the administration's "fix." Rove felt that Plame needed to be destroyed to punish Wilson. That one vindictive, hubristic decision may actually be what finally brings down the Bush Empire.

If Rove is able to dodge prosecution, look for a face-saving resignation by Labor Day.

Updated On: 7/5/05 at 07:57 AM

#21

It's 'TreasonGate'

Democrat Calls on Rove to Make Statement on Probe

July 3 (Bloomberg) -- A Senate Democrat called on Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's top political adviser, to make a public statement denying any role in the 2003 leak of an undercover intelligence agent's identity.

Senator Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, said that while there is no evidence that Rove leaked the identity of Central Intelligence Agency operative Valerie Plame to reporters, Rove should address the matter himself instead of issuing denials through his attorney.

``I think the American people would feel a whole lot better if Karl Rove himself got up and made a statement that he did not leak the information, nor did he order anybody else to leak the information,' Schumer said on ABC's ``This Week.' ``That would totally clear his name.'

Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, said Sunday that Rove spoke with Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper for a story about a CIA- sponsored trip to Africa that diplomat Joseph Wilson made to learn more about Iraq's alleged attempts to buy uranium there. Columnist Robert Novak got the story out first, which stated that Wilson was sent at the suggestion of his wife, Plame.

Luskin said in an interview that Rove ``did nothing wrong, did not disclose Plame's identity, and did not reveal any confidential information.'

Luskin said that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's office asked that any matters related to the investigation not be discussed, and Luskin is ``trying to respect that request while still asserting as vigorously as possible that Karl did nothing wrong, and has been assured repeatedly by Fitzgerald's office that he is not a target of the investigation.'

Defending Rove

Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, defended Rove on ``This Week.'

``Mr. Rove has cooperated with the investigation, he's done what he should do, and there's nothing that I've seen or that anyone has pointed out that indicates he did anything other than conduct himself appropriately,' Cornyn said.

Computer files Time turned over to prosecutors as part of a U.S. investigation show Cooper interviewed Rove three or four days before Novak's story ran, Newsweek reported Saturday.

Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller face possible jail sentences for refusing to divulge the sources they used while reporting on the issue. A federal judge plans to consider penalties on July 6. Time Inc., seeking to keep its reporter out of jail and avoid fines, said last week that it will hand over subpoenaed records.

Classified

Plame was a classified agent monitoring the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction for the CIA. It's a crime to knowingly identify an undercover CIA official. The White House on Sunday said Bush is still committed to finding out the truth from the investigation.

``The president's instructions from the beginning were to fully cooperate with the investigation,' White House spokesman Taylor Gross said. ``As part of cooperating, we are not going to comment on any matters that come up during the investigative process.'

Wilson has charged that the leak was orchestrated by the White House to intimidate anyone who might challenge the Bush administration's rationale for going to war against Iraq. He charged that Rove leaked the information, then backed off the accusation. White House spokesman Scott McClellan has denied that Rove was a source of the leak.

Fitzgerald, the U.S. Attorney from Chicago, was appointed in 2003 by Bush to investigate who leaked Plame's identity.
#22

it's another red herring

before ya get all happy, ya might want to read josh marshall, no fan of the administration...

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_06_26.php#005936

pay close attention to paragraph #2.
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#23

Jail Karl Rove

Marshall says: "Fitzgerald shouldn't be pressing matter of jailing journalists unless he thinks he's on his way to prosecuting a serious crime. So just a question: Would Fitzgerald have pushed to get Cooper and Miller in the slammer if some other party in the White House weren't in a lot of trouble?"

So if it ain't Rove, it's Cheney. But this smells like the same old sh*t Rove been shoveling for years.

Only this time it's felonious.

Updated On: 7/5/05 at 10:26 AM

#24

Downing Street Memos, the 15 minutes-of-crisis syndrome

I fear we're about to go the way of the Downing Street memos. Indifference on the part of an apathetic and aggressively uninformed culture, an ever-timid press, a divided nation more worried about 2.60 a gallon. And a crisis that isn't very sexy.
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#25

Jail Karl Rove

On the contrary, Auggie. Things are just beginning to heat up.

The Pentagon Papers were published in June 1971. They were kind of boring.

The Watergate burglary was a year later (1972)--that was sexier than the Pentagon Papers.

The Watergate hearings were a year after that (1973). Nixon was impeached a year after that (1974).

These things take time, and there's no point in being discouraged by the duller aspects.

Someone in the White House committed a felony. Even Republicans have to admit that.

Updated On: 7/5/05 at 11:14 AM

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