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#26

Downing Street Memos, the 15 minutes-of-crisis syndrome

Hope you're right, PJ. And always worth noting: unlike previous exposes, in the world of the blogs, real-time revelations, backlash, , etc. create a kind of instant gratification syndrome. That's an enormous plus, ultimately, since one needn't wait for trickle-down. When one person learns something, it explodes. 'Course, it also means we live in the era of instant damage control. At least there's a big, hungry public here on the web awaiting the latest. Count me among 'em.

"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#27

Downing Street Memos, the 15 minutes-of-crisis syndrome

Oh god I hope it happens. I hope it happens. I hope it happens.

Leaks don't just magically happen and I'm glad people in power have finally picked up on that. If he gets off free, I might just explode in complete anger.
Keep the peace, take care of each other, and may you find your promised land. -TJST
#29

Downing Street Memos, the 15 minutes-of-crisis syndrome

Someone upstairs IS listening to me....


I'm so happy I just did a little jig.
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#30

Jail Karl Rove

Check your subject lines before posting, folks.

David Corn in The Nation lays it all out. His conclusion:

"Rove may be in trouble. Or this could be a false alert. But this did-Rove-do-it bubble is a useful reminder. Two years ago, senior Bush administration officials revealed classified information, undid the career of a national security official, and endangered ongoing anti-WMD programs in order to pursue a political vendetta against a critic, and to date there has been no accountability."

If Rove gets away with it, this scandal has still proven that Nixon may have been a burglar but Rove is a traitor.

The Nation -- Is it Karl Rove?

Updated On: 7/5/05 at 03:25 PM

#31

Jail Karl Rove

After watching a widespread acceptance of the infinite range of lies associated with Iraq (9/11, WMD, you name it), pre and post occupation, I remain skeptical about whether our ostrich-behaving populace has the attention span and investment. It's so much easier to get behind the trashing of a man who diddles chubby teens in his office than a regime so power-drunk they think, in the end, that any behavior on the world stage, justifies the means. I fear that to far too many, Karl Rove's winner take all deceit is too subtle a sin -- and crime.

"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling

Updated On: 7/5/05 at 03:56 PM

#32

Jail Karl Rove

Whispers from Washington say the charge against Rove will be perjury.
#33

and the rumor mill kicks into overtime

i just can't wait until this turns into another, "that awful rove, he's so evil, he set us all up! he made us write all kinds of chicken little-esque prose and in the end the closest we got to the chicken was the egg on our faces."

see that's the problem for some with jumping on the bandwagon with both feet without there being any proof. fortunately it's not a problem for many here, with a few exceptions, so the bandwagon's so full it's close to toppling.

unfortunately, rove didn't leak the name. please. the times, the post and time has had proof all along that rove leaked the name (and would have had it during the fall leading up to that all important nov. date) and it's never been leaked? yeah. ok, but take care those of you that i like not to follow blind hatred over yet another cliff. i only have so much plaster of paris.
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#34

and the rumor mill kicks into overtime

well then why the need for such harshness, papa? If you really are in such a place of certainty that that admin is as clean as you think it is, why do you fight SO HARD against those you think are foolish and who hold arguments that bear no merit?

And, 2 of those 3 papers/magazine are conservative. However, I THINK the NYT is still liberal. I do NOT believe that we have a liberal media--or that if we do--that that liberal media has any room to move around in its choker collar.
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#35

Rove: Explain or Resign

God bless Rep. John Conyers. Here is the text of his demand to the White House: "Require your Deputy White House Chief of Staff, Karl Rove, to either come forward immediately to explain his role in the Valerie Plame matter or to resign from your Administration."

Politics is exciting again now that the Democrats have got their teeth--and balls!--back!

---


July 7, 2005

The President
The White House
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President:

We write in order to urge that you require your Deputy White House Chief of Staff, Karl Rove, to either come forward immediately to explain his role in the Valerie Plame matter or to resign from your Administration.

Notwithstanding whether Mr. Rove intentionally violated the law in leaking information concerning former CIA operative Valerie Plame, we believe it is not tenable to maintain Mr. Rove as one of your most important advisors unless he is willing to explain his central role in using the power and authority of your Administration to disseminate information regarding Ms. Plame and to undermine her husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

We now know that e-mails recently turned over by Time, Inc. between writer Matthew Cooper and Time editors reveal that one of Mr. Cooper’s principal sources in the Plame matter was Mr. Rove. This has been confirmed by Newsweek and two lawyers representing witnesses involved in the investigation. Mr. Rove’s attorney, Robert Luskin, also has confirmed that Mr. Rove was interviewed by Mr. Cooper in connection with a possible article about Ms. Plame three or four days before Robert Novak wrote a column outing Ms. Plame as a CIA operative.

We also know that Mr. Rove told Chris Matthews that Ambassador Wilson’s wife and her undercover status were “fair game.” A White House source also appears to have previously acknowledged that Mr. Rove contacted Mr. Matthews and other journalists, indicating that “it was reasonable to discuss who sent Wilson to Niger.”

The above facts appear to be directly inconsistent with previous statements by you and representatives of your Administration concerning leaking in general and the Plame case in particular. For example, on September 30, 2003, you stated “there’s just too many leaks [in Washington]. And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is.” You also stated “I want to know the truth. If anybody has got any information inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true and get on about the business.” On October 10, 2003, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan was asked if Mr. Rove or two other aides in your Administration had ever discussed the Plame matter with any reporter, and he stated he had spoken to Mr. Rove and the others and “they assured me that they were not involved in this.”

Regardless of whether these actions violate the law – including specific laws against the disclosure of classified information as well as broader laws against obstruction of justice, the negligent distribution of defense information, and obligating reporting of press leaks to proper authorities – they seem to reveal a course of conduct designed to threaten and intimidate those who provide information critical of your Administration, such as Ambassador Wilson.

We hope you agree with us that such behavior should never be tolerated by any Administration. While it is acceptable for a private citizen to use every legal tool at his or her disposal to protect himself against legal liability, high-ranking members of your Administration who are involved in any effort to smear a private citizen or to disseminate information regarding a CIA operative should be expected to meet a far higher standard of ethical behavior and forthrightness. This is why we believe it is so important that Mr. Rove publicly and fully explain his role in this matter.

Sincerely,
#36

does libel apply to message boards?

jrb, you of all people should know that wasn't harsh. in any way shape or form. i'm just trying to gently warn those on the other side of the aisle for whom i have affection not to put all their eggs in a basket they've never inspected. but if you'd like, i can be harsh.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#37

does libel apply to message boards?

*adjusts tin foil hat*

Just you wait. Sooner or later Rove will be arrested for his ritual sacrificies of babies, virgins, and squirrels.
#38

does libel apply to message boards?

I don't quite get Papa's stern admonition to his fan base at this aisle-down-the-middle site. Suddenly, folks must watch what they say, or face his scorn? I've faced Papa's scorn, and have yet to turn into someone who evaporated in a Cruise-missing death ray.

The Conyers letter is remarkable in the specificity of its request, daring to demand the kind of answers the media eschews, for fear of losing The Jeff Gannon Seat after a round of musical chairs. I'll be curious to see what surfaces on the 6:30 national news. Don't expect Fox to be too curious. Their lead story one eve last week was "Teddy Kennedy Hasn't Been to Iraq." Yeah, and I haven't seen SPAMALOT. Both mysteries are critical to national security.

"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#40

does libel apply to message boards?

July 7? Who ARE you?!
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#43

Rove: Explain or Resign

He's gathering signatories to deliver the letter tomorrow. What's the big deal?
#44

D-day for Miller and Cooper; a turning point for the press

I was predictably disturbed to see this story buried last night. The country is more obsessed with lurid police blotter stuff, tragic though it is.

I was pleased to see Jeffrey Toobin on CNN voice his alarm and palpable disgust at the thought of these two reporters doing jail time. And he kept underscoring that Miller didn't even publish her article. It's a turning point in journalism, a critical one that isn't getting the coverage it deserves.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#46

D-day for Miller and Cooper; a turning point for the press

It's a real turning point. Rove has muddied the water by manipulating the press to do the White House's dirty work, then hide behind a principle that was created to shield whistle-blowers, not corrupt political assassins.

Rosa Brooks in the LA Times reads Judy Miller as an ambitious patsy, used by the White to give legitimacy to an illegitimate war.

Brooks's bottom line:

---

Her scoops relied on information provided by the very folks who were also cooking the books. But because Miller hid behind confidential sources most of the time, there was little her readers could use to evaluate their credibility. You know: "a high-level official with access to classified data." Ultimately, even the Times' "public editor" conceded the paper's coverage of Iraq had often consisted of "breathless stories built on unsubstantiated 'revelations' that, in many instances, were the anonymity-cloaked assertions of people with vested interests."...

Should Miller have refused to offer anonymity to all those "high-level" sources who sold us a bill of goods on Iraq? Yes.
The Judy Miller Media Hug-Fest
#47

D-day for Miller and Cooper; a turning point for the press

Yep, she was the pawn who sold us untold reams of Chalabi-speak about WMD and everything else. She did everything but fan Condi's mushroom cloud in our direction. Repeatedly. But isn't it a bit cynical (and easy) to suggest Miller's prison term would Martha Stewart her back into favor?
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#49

D-day for Miller and Cooper; a turning point for the press

k - I am a bear of little brain - what's the significance of this little tidbit?

New York Times reporter Judith Miller has refused to reveal her source to a grand jury investigating the leak of an undercover CIA operative's name.

Thanks - I used to get my news from CNN, but now I get it from PalJoey and BWW.
"Not a day goes by..."
#50

fresh meat, fresh meat

judy's going to the slammer and matt's testifying. according to reports both received permission from their sources to testify and name them, but judy feels that permission was forced on the leaker so she's not budging...plus she kinda likes the idea of a little "me time" in the can.

so, we'll see who coop names soon enough.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

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