Kerry Provides Unscripted Answer on AIDS — Page 3

the rwca of 2000? that one?

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Updated On: 9/26/04 at 11:04 AM

i'm just curious, zola, which specific bill signing you attended? just because you say it's so don't make it so. show me something other than, "i say so."

are you talking about bubba in 2000 singing the re-authorization of the ryan white care act in october of 2000?

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Updated On: 9/26/04 at 11:08 AM

i never claimed to be an expert in anything, zola. i just like to look around and see what i can see and point out what i see as inconsistencies and lies.

but when all is said and done, he still wasn't there for the vote.

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Updated On: 9/26/04 at 11:24 AM

When all is said and done, the bill was passed unanimously, and he had assured passage of it.

"Not to mention that Bush cannot go "off issue" and and address another issue spontaneously. Watch Bush when someone asks him a question....he's very adept at not answering what has been asked, and steering his answer back to something that has been pre-scripted."

Another thing your President and my PM have in common. Blair is a master of not answering the question. Though as my mate studying politics pointed out - "Politicans answer the question - they answer the question they wish they'd been asked!"

Papa has no interest in educating himself. He never admits when he is wrong (a very bad trait in any human being). He comes on here with a definite political point of view and will say and do anything to prove it.

At least ckeaton and Lady G will engage in dialogue. Papa's game is simply to collect facts, mix them all up through internet searches with his ideology, and re-package them to fit whatever conclusion he has already reached. It's exactly what the swiftboat guys did. They just keep attacking, introducing new non-sequitors to keep Kerry on the defensive always having to disprove something, and when the fraud and inconsistencies are uncovered, they don't apologies or acknowledge it; they just go back to their message. This is the disgusting state of politics in this country.

We've all listened to it long enough -- but on this issue, I actually have some personal first-hand knowledge and I am not going to give ground to someone who knows nothing about it.

This is not a difference of perspectives; there are no shades of gray as papa's distortions would have some believe. John Kerry has never waivered on this issue. He has been a great leader against AIDS and other global health crises. John Kerry is a hero on fighting the AIDS epidemic and Bush is a disaster. Their records speak for themselves.

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I hope that you can remain so smug about Bush's competency when this country goes down in flames because of him.

So you believe Bush is incompetent?

i was not being smug about competency, i was being smug about the fact that bush will win. so, well, maybe i was being smug about bush's compentency as a campaigner.

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position on what issue? the comment i made which started this which i think was what really pissed zola off was my intimation that this was not an issue which john kerry actually cared. had i not included the phrase, "didn't see it as important enough" i don't think i would have pissed him off nearly so badly. did i underestimate john kerry's contribution to the fight against aids? yes. did i make a snide comment? you betcha. was john kerry there for the vote on the bill i mentioned? nope, and i still disagree that it was a re-authorization (but i may be wrong about that too). did zola wipe the floor with my argument since he knows more about it than i do? yer damned right he did.

kerry's still gonna lose.

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OK, papa -- want some more? I just called my workout partner to tell him I'll be a few minutes late.

Here's why the 2003 bill was a reauthorization of the 2000 bill: The 2000 law authorized spending for a number of programs for 2 years, including a $10 million contribution to the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative, $50 million to the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization, as well as 2 year commitments to the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria. Kerry re-drafted the bill in 2002 to reauthorize these spending programs that were sunsetting under the original bill (as well as all the rest of the omnibus legislation; however, House Republicans got hung up on some of the authorizing amounts and refused to move the bill. Frist balked (a true leader, that one!) and Bush did nothing to push it through. Since they're in the majority, the bill was killed.

But Kerry came back a year later in 2003 and pushed through what was in fact a reauthorization of the 2000 legislation.

And you bet I hate when you say things like "Kerry didn't care enough to see the vote take place." Why? BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE. How do you know what Kerry cares about? How dare you ascribe motives to him. Like I said before: you clearly hate Kerry and try to stick him with all your negative motives, even though they're based in the fiction of your mind, not reality.

He worked the bill out with his colleagues and his vote was not necessary -- it passed by voice vote. I doubt any Senators were on the floor that night to vote by voice other than one representive of both parties and whoever was sitting in the chair for the Vice President. That's the way it works.

Now please stop -- I have to work out. And I'm calling Bob Shrum to explain to him how you have to fight against this kind of crap in the future.

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For you, papa, though you're still not going to change your mind.
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Updated On: 9/26/04 at 02:32 PM

"i think i'm a lot more open minded than the majority of my party and i'd say even a good deal of the country."

That's absolutely true. THAT scares me.