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MT programs in Chicago

Hey guys. Does anyone know of any 4-year universities with good Musical Theatre programs in the Chicago area. I know there must be some, but I can't find any! Please help!
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Roosevelt University's CHICAGO COLLEGE OF PERFORMING ARTS.
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Northwestern University...obviously. One of the tops in the country for acting/music theatre.
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I go to Rockford College (an hour outside of Chicago) and we have a great Musical Theatre Performance program. Excellent professors (including the greatest voice teacher EVER and a Jeff Award nominated costume designer who directs some shows and teaches classes)...

I love it. and it's small so you ACTUALLY get stage time.
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I personally dont think chicago has any great mtp schools. Columbia College has amazing Faculty and the musical theatre students work with Sheldon Patinkin and Estelle Spector which is amazing, but the overall program isnt that good. Just top of the line mainstage productions. I reccomend Columbia for Directing and Design. I swear the whole theatre departments are designed around the oober good directing program.

My roommate transfered from roosevelt and hated it and said that it was way to easy and didnt learn that much. Ive heard good things about their music program and theatre program, just not MT.

Depaul and Northwestern have AMAZING theatre programs im just not sure Musical Theatre is there thing.

IMHO the only MT schools to look at are : Michigan, CCM, Carnegie Mellon, Florida State, Penn State, Ithaca, OKCU, Cap 21, Elon, Western Michigan, Baldwin Wallace, Boco, Point Park, Miami, and a few others..... i just dont see chicago on the top...

Updated On: 5/31/07 at 03:20 PM

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Northwestern ABSOLUTELY has an amazing MT program. Difficult to get into the school academically, but if you want to see why NU is giving Umich, NYU, and CCM some serious competition, check out the link below about AMTP (American Musical Theatre Project). Some very heavy-hitters are involved, and it's putting NU's MT program into the top 3 in the country, imo.
AMTP
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Oh gawd..Northwestern a top MT school? If they were such a top school, maybe they could actually HAVE a MT degree?. You have to get a theater degree and then have an emphasis in MT. Pleeeze. Go to a school that gives you a degree in musical theater performance!! U of Michigan, Boston Conservatory, OCU, CCM all have no probs giving a MT degree.

And your American Music Theater Project..lots of big names. Unfortunately, that's all it is. The big names do the shows. Where are the actual students? Maybe if lucky in the chorus. The only reason they;re doing it is to say "Hey Look who we got NW!!". These people don't even teach or work at NW!! Theyre just using the names to get cheap publicity. Not a school i want to be associated with.
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RockyRoad, before you speak about something in such a negative way, you should check your facts. Look a little further into Northwestern's AMTP and then get back to me about how they don't use students for significant roles. Of course they use professionals, as well, including some "big names" -- one of the goals of the program is to integrate the MT students into the professional end of the business -- a pretty smart thing to do, in my opinion.

Also, if you had done a little research, you would know not to make such a big deal of the certificate program. For one thing, it likely won't be a valid point much longer. For another, what do you think would increase your chances of success more, the letters "BFA" on your resume, or a prestigious degree from a top-tier school that offers unique training, opportunities and networking in your field? Why would they go to the expense and hassle of developing AMTP and hiring two highly-acclaimed MT directors if they weren't planning on focusing heavily on the MT program?

If you had done a little reading, you'd know AMTP is far too costly a venture to bill it as "cheap publicity" for the school. I'm sorry to hear you don't want to be associated with Northwestern... could it be it wasn't an option for you? I can't help wondering, your tone is so vindictive. I have the utmost respect for the schools you mention that offer BFAs; my point is that it doesn't have to be done that way to be successful.

By the way, if you're going to be a knowledgeable source on the topic, then you should know that it's NU, not NW. No one calls it that.

Updated On: 6/4/07 at 04:03 PM

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Hey Edmondsog..Perhaps if YOU did some research you'd realize that a certificate program is NOT the same as a real BFA/BM music DEGREE program. The reason you get a real degree from Michigan or CCM is cause they actually have a real course of study for their majors. They take more music courses than any NU student would ever take. And that, dear, make a BIG difference. But it seems that you've convinced yourself that a "certificate" program is just as valid.

Hey..doesn't AMDA give a certificate? Good point Edmondsg. You'll be as talented as the AMDA folks!

And your students are so good that they bring in "big names" (as you say) for your AMTP program? Funny. I don't think Michigan or CCM bring in guest stars to do their shows. Maybe that's cause NU will only hire those with a certificate instead of a real degree.

In the future, it's YOU that needs to do your research.
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Sure there are differences in NU's program, and MT students at NU tend to take way more of a courseload than what's required for the BA/Theatre/MT. They also get more than the average number of performance opportunities. Most MT students (at any school) spend almost every waking hour involved in some MT activity, and only a small percentage of that is in class, so curriculum is not the only factor to consider. Performance opportunities are critical.

My point is that NU is in a position now to give the top programs some serious competition. If that hits a nerve, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to sit back and watch someone ridicule an excellent program at an amazing school that is working so hard to get through a huge growth phase. There are too many high-schoolers and parents craving information, and some of what has been written here about Northwestern is just plain false.

The AMDA comparison to Northwestern is too silly to even respond to. Any degree from Northwestern will give you an edge when looking for jobs in any industry -- that's not true of all schools mentioned in this thread. Some schools do MT fairly well, but not much else. With the exception of the "top" MT schools, Northwestern's program is at least as good as others mentioned, even prior to AMTP, no matter which degree is awarded.

RockyRoad and Chitty, are you students, faculty, other? Which college do you attend, if any? If you're at one of the big dogs, then congrats -- you must be talented, or else had a good audition. As you know, there are many people out there who weren't so lucky, and it's a good thing there are a lot of great options.

In all fairness, NU doesn't audition for MT until the end of freshman year, which puts a lot of people off. By the time of auditions, however, the directors have seen the freshmen try out several times for shows and have worked with many of them, and don't have to make a decision based on one 4-minute audition. How many super-talented people do you know who haven't gotten into any MT programs because of that one audition, and how many mediocre ones have? And how many BFA graduates are unemployed for years, left with BFAs from relatively unknown colleges to find work in other areas? My point is that there is more to think about when planning your career than whether one school has more MT classes than another.

For anyone who wants to judge for himself, I don't expect you to take my word for it -- speak with casting agents or MT coaches who have no ties to specific schools, speak with one of the program directors at NU about the changes that are happening (Rives Collins is a great contact), follow up on how many NU alums are successful in the field, and talk to current NU students.

NU is not for everyone -- it's tough academically, and its philosophy about MT is different, but it works. Glance through some of the College Confidential boards. Here are a couple:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=187340

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=255047&highlight=edmondsg

I understand how there is misconception about Northwestern -- they do things their own way, and they don't care who agrees or disagrees. You'll hear more about their MT program soon enough. Good luck to everyone who is trying to make a decision or is waiting for results. PM me if I can help. Sorry this got so long. re: MT programs in Chicago
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Edmondsg - what an intelligent, well thought out, calm, and non-confrontational argument.

The other incredible thing about Northwestern - their students are trained to be actors and intelligent, well-rounded people foremost.

Updated On: 6/5/07 at 02:44 AM

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Thanks for the support, BWay. By the way, I should mention that I have no connection to NU except for my son being an MT student there. He passed up an acceptance to CAP21 after much research, and wasn't the only one who chose NU over one of the "top" schools. (CAP21 is great, before anyone hollers again -- but it's not right for everyone.)
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As an incoming student who is going to NU next year and hopes for the MT program, I just want to give me thoughts on why I chose NU over a BFA program.

First of all, as someone who thinks of academics as being something very important (even for an actor), NU allows me to take both theatre courses as well as courses in areas outside of the theatre (allowing me to have a "back up" plan if acting fails and also become educated in different areas). I feel that being educated in other areas besides theatre helps an actor reach their highest potential.

I also think that saying that NU's MT program isn't on par with other big name programs like UMich, CCM, NYU, etc. is just not fair. Yes, you might not obtain a BFA after your 4 years, but just look at how many people come out of NU and are employed. And also take a look at the names associated NU's theatre program.

While I didn't apply to any other schools besides NU (got in ED), I really don't think it's fair to knock NU's program. ESPECIALLY if you have no experience with it.
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While NU has some fine departments (drama), they are not a major MT school. I don't know what "industry" people you have been talking too, but the industry I work in (professional theater/music theater), NU is regarding as a fair/decent MT program. It will certainly not "open doors" in regards to casting because of the NU name.

And the discussion between certificate and degree is very very valid. The NU program lacks the depth of musical training that you will receive at a CCM or Michigan. No questions there. You folks started out staying that the NU MT dept. was already first class and giving the big ones a run. Now you're backtracking and saying is "will" be one of the big programs. Which is it?

NU is known for other programs. Who knows if it will be known for MT. But right right, it isn't giving anyone a run for their money.
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If you ask twenty people in professional theatre what their opinion is of NU, you'd get at least five different responses, and very few would be familiar with the current program. As typecastme reiterated, NU is for a specific type of person -- not everyone. I'll leave it at that. Good luck to everyone.
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So, Mr NU, why the double talk? You first say talk to casting directors and others who think NU is great. Then you say ask five people, you'll get five different opinions about NU. Which is it? You first said NU is a program giving NYU a run. Then you say it's an up and coming program. Which is it?

This is more double talk than politicians.

Our NU friend is no more than shill for NU- most likely an NU employee. Anyone who refers people to the great NU threads on College Confidential is selling the university. A shame these people are on this board.
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Who was it that once said opinions are like assholes... thanks for your childish tantrum RockyRoad

Updated On: 6/6/07 at 06:52 PM

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not worth fighting over anymore.

Updated On: 6/7/07 at 10:23 AM

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double post...

Updated On: 6/7/07 at 10:24 AM

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Wow..typecast..talk about immature. Is this what NU teaches you?

Ironically, after all your child-like huffing an puffing, you haven't bothered to answer why the original poster has flip flopped so many times? Let's replay what they said:
"NU is one of the top programs...no, it's one of the upcoming programs...casting people look for NU on resumes....casting people will one day look for NU on resumes."

Can you understand that? Apparently not. When people say one thing and then change to another, there's a problem. Even a parent should know that.

And if this was/is a parent of a NU student, it is commonly understood to identify yourself as such. Anyone who has gone to the lengths of talking up this school (including the ridiculous College Confidential links) would look very much like a NU employee shilling. Believe me, if NU administration saw this post, they would be very unhappy. The internet is a small world and lies travel just as fast on the internet.

In short, the original poster has buried them in this hole and they have not got themselves out. You're little hissy fit does nothing more than make the original post look even faker than it already is.

Oh...and throwing in the old "did they turn you down" line just goes to prove your child-like state. I can only image your next intellectual post.

See what happens when summer comes and the kids are tired of the playground?
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"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."

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Updated On: 3/4/09 at 01:49 PM

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Tuttle - if you'd read the thread carefully you'd see that edmondsg wrote

"Thanks for the support, BWay. By the way, I should mention that I have no connection to NU except for my son being an MT student there."

Seems more like a parent who supports her son, rather than an overly emphatic NU Musical Theatre disciple.
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either way NU is the best place to go for MT in Chicago.
if you want to go for acting Depaul is amazing.
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