Madonna: Tour Spoilers!

Damn you, Anthony how can anyone enjoy this concert now that you have SPOILED if for everyone?

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Yea, but c'mon, Anthony. Those were not just SPOILERS but downright RUINERS!

By the way,do you think "the Fall" has to do with the season, or her career?

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Yeah--those four titles would cover the career. Although, it's ironic that the "low point" or The Fall in Madonna's career was still more than most music stars can hope for. Her "worst" albums are multiplatinum, she is never out of rotation on pop radio stations, she is constantly all over magazines and newspapers. She has yet to go through a truly bad spell.

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Make sure you eat something before you go Voicey, cause you know what happens when you see MA, on an empty stomach, you get all "Cicconey"....

Updated On: 10/27/05 at 08:15 AM

I agree on Bedtime Stories and American Life, both of which are terrible. American Life was the ruinous penultiamte nail in the coffin for my love of Madonna (the final one was Me Against The Music). But Ray Of Light is a great album and Music is fabulous too. In fact, Music is better than Ray Of Light in my opinion, as the overall tone of the album is so much smoother. And in the US, you weren't subjected to the horror of American Pie after the sublime beauty of Gone.

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Musically, American Life is enough to kill my adoration of her stone dead. That plus Britney Spears just smacks of desperation. Had it been a few years ago, it would have been a major coup for both of them. Instead it looked like they were both clutching at straws. The appearance at the MTV Awards and her comment that "we were playing with post modern iconography" is just laughable. No you weren't, Madonna, you were calculatedly generating as many column inches as you could.

And then there's her refusal to accept her own limitations and give up on acting. Swept Away and her appearance on Will and Grace are the latest in her back catalogue of horror. And please don't use Desperately Seeking Susan and Evita as examples. In one she was playing herself, the other she was singing, not acting.

Then she makes comments about protecting her children from a showbiz life, but has Lourdes throwing petals on stage during one of her live performances. How is that protecting exactly?

I could go on and on and on about the reasons why she is now dead to me, but suffice to say while American Life and duetting with Britney finished me off, there was far more than her music that started me off.

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Can't we try to keep the Madonna tour info in one thread?

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since YOU have decided she should give up on it, then it should be the law of the land!

I must have missed the part on my posts where I decreed that my word is law. I don't think she can act, and even her most fervent supporters (ie you, jrb) aren't going to challenge that opinion. And the role of Eva Peron is never just singing, except when essayed by Madonna. Even at the time when people asked me what her performance was like, I remember saying "I don't know, she didn't give one". Again, just my opinion and not the law, just so we're clear.

And her previous controversial career moves all seem to have had some kind of a point to them, as well as pushing people's buttons. The Sex book, Blond Ambition, Erotica, etc were all pushing boundaries and challenging opinions and igniting debate as well as pushing buttons. The only debate her Britney/Christina moment ignited was "Oh that Madonna, what will she think of next?" And if post modern iconography is her best reason for it, then I kind of wish she hadn't bothered. It's the fact that it was so lame that made it seem so desperate. And doing stunts like that while saying she's ashamed of the Sex book is plain ridiculous.

And doesn't anyone find it strange that this new tour is making no mention of American Life or her appearance on a Britney Spears song? It's all her greatest hits throughout her 20 odd year career. She should call it the Damage Limitation tour and be done with it.

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Keep it to one thread? I'm looking forward to the MadonnaTour2.
Everyone's doing it.

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Thanks for the invitation, but no thanks. Not sure you've had your shots.

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Can you read? I have posted two lengthy messages about all the contributing factors that have eroded my love of Madonna and turned it into dislike. I don't absolutely hate her, but I am certainly no longer a fan. So I wouldn't really chalk it up to just "one bad album" especially when I have mentioned two of them.

As for the Britney stunt (and it was a stunt. I don't for a second believe Madonna had no idea the heat such a stunt would generate. She's more savvy than that), the reason it struck me as so lame was, with the release of Music, people had actually started paying attention to her music instead of her and her attendant attention seeking stunts. So many of her performances in the lead up to that album release was her singing live with two back up singers and that was it. No conical bras, no bed humping, nothing. Plain, simple and, to the surprise of a lot of people, really very good. So what was the point of the Britney and Christina liplock? I certainly don't see one, and as for pro gay image, only just. Titillation for about a million heterosexual men as well though.

And sadly I don't catalogue the exact location of every Madonna tidbit I read, unlike some passionate fans who won't stand for a bad word to be said about their icon (ie you, jrb). But she has said that she would rather forget the Sex book and she has moved on and yadda yadda. So I may have been paraphrasing when I said "ashamed" but it is the general gist.

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