Mark McGuire admits to using steroids. - Page 2

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 2:07pm

The players are naturally big

I say they're not. I say they're lying.

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 2:12pm

Here is a nice article calling for McGwire's ban from baseball:


Ban McGwire from baseball

[winston89]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 2:44pm

PalJoey,

If you were to look at even the biggest NFL player without the uniform on (keep in mind that it wouldn't be fair to judge with all the pads on because they add bulk) then you would realize that while they are on the big side of things, they aren't so big to the point of it being kind of on the crazy side of things.


Furthermore, people tend to stand up and take notice when there is a larger than average baseball player due to the fact that a lot of team practices in the professional level don't require extensive amounts of time in the weight room. In football at the NFL level, part of practice is a good long weight lifting session.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 2:56pm

All that may be true but I still think they're getting those muscles from injecting AND lifting.

[sabrelady]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 3:04pm

Maybe G*d will settle the score in the end. Steroid use has been linked to cancer. We'll see how this finally finishes.
Totally agree he should be banned from any baseball activities.
For EVAH!

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 3:12pm

In the interest of science, I'd be willing to look at football players without their uniforms on, as Winston suggests.

[winston89]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 3:35pm

First of Pal Joey, if you look at the stats of those NFL players who do juice up you would see that they are MUCH lower then that of a baseball player. Yes, your right, it does happen in football. But, nowhere near the same amount of players who juice up for a baseball game.

And, it is true that a steroid related baseball story more often then not overshadow one related to the NFL it doesn't do away with the fact that it is by far a biggger deal in baseball then in any other sport.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 3:49pm

After we look at football, we should attack the even more serious problem of stand-up comedians on steroids:

[strummergirl]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 5:21pm

Winston, have you ever heard of Human Growth Hormone? Do you know it is undetectable? Regardless of how hard the testing is a smart athlete will put HGH in their body. Most of the disgraced names in baseball, track, and football attached to the BALCO brand got caught because receipts were recovered by investigators. That is really the only way you can know somebody juiced up because of either HGH or very good masking agents for enhancements.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 5:29pm

"Mark McGuire admits to using steroids"

And I admit to being gay...

Big surprise...

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 5:55pm

I can't figure out what Winston is trying to say. Historically, some of the biggest names (at least on the defensive side) have admitted to using steroids. Recently, Shawne Merriman was suspended for use of PED. 52 Pro Bowlers have been accused of using PEDs.

I think it is almost expected in football. That does not make it right, but football is about strength, size, power and speed. Baseball is, at its core, a game built on eye-hand coordination and reaction. Being fast and powerful can't help you if you cannot hit a baseball, pitch or catch.

And, training regimens for baseball is now year round, with lifting and other strength-enhancing programs in place (as with basketball).

For the record. McGwire admitted to cheating - he did something that impacted the game being played. The ball he hit went further, and he hit the ball harder because of the PEDs. As it stands, Rose is accused of breaking a rule (betting on baseball), but not cheating in a game. (To date, I don't think anyone has found evidence that he managed games based upon the way he bet - that may be out there, but I don't think he is accused of that per se). There is a difference in my mind. For me, Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame because of his career as a player - his stats were not impacted his violation of a rule - McGwire's were.



PEDs and Football.

[Jon]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 6:37pm

BUT - when Rose was playing, there was a sign posted in every MLB clubhouse reminding the players that GAMBLING IS PROHIBITED, and could result in a lifetime ban.

When McGuire was playing, there was no rule prohibiting the use of steroids.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 6:52pm

Fair enough.

But, Rose was not cheating in a way that impacted his stats - he was breaking a rule.

To me there is a difference, and I understand why Rose may never get into the hall. If his betting keeps him out of baseball, so be it. But his stats were not impacted by the rule be broke. that was the distinction I was in artfully trying to make.
Updated On: 1/12/10 at 06:52 PM

[strummergirl]

Posted: 1/12/10 at 10:10pm

I am not sure how just clearing the air that Pete Rose only bet on games when he was a manager. As manager he had far more control over the situation than just being an individual player. Yes, he only said it was to bet on the Reds to win but the very next season after his termination that same Reds team won the World Series. I can't really believe that a guy up to his neck in gambling debt and a guy who has routinely lied about it would not do something like throwing some games, shaving scores. Further graying the lines, Rose was a player-manager for 3 years with the Reds so he could break Cobb's hit record which in the Dowd Report occurred in the period where he began gambling.

[winston89]

Posted: 1/13/10 at 2:58am

YouWantitWhen????, I was trying to say that in this day and age of baseball steroid use become more and more frequent, that if there is a news story about someone in the NFL taking steroids it almost always gets overshadowed in the news by a baseball player who did the same thing.

Also, as it was said earlier, there wasn't a rule against steroids in 98 when this all started. It would be odd to punish someone now for breaking a rule that wasn't even around when this whole mess happened. That is why I do think that they are going to put Mcgwire into the hall of fame but give him an asterisk. The asterisk would show that yes, he did break the record, but, he did kind of cheat in the process. I say kind of only because there were no rules back then to say that what he was doing was wrong. Now there are.

[strummergirl]

Posted: 1/13/10 at 10:56am

Winston there may have no ban against PEDs but there are all sorts of federal and state statutes that clearly and explicitly state one cannot put steroids in their body without there being a prescription from doctor, as steroids are frequently used by cancer patients recovering from chemo. Those rules were broken either just illegally receiving non-prescribed or using some doctor as a pusher to get them PEDs.

Football's my favorite sport but it is really naive to think the game is clean. The lab will always be ahead of the testing. Baseball gets more attention because it is far more obvious that a guy with the body type of a Mr. Universe is highly unusually from the game that gives us David Eckstein and John Kruk. Plus baseball is a sport that always toots its horn about all their great records so when 5 of the top 12 players in Home Runs have been linked or proven to have used steroids, it makes bigger news. I think in football it is just more acceptable that a game a brute force and strength would require some assistance.

[winston89]

Posted: 1/13/10 at 4:57pm

strummergirl, I am not at all saying that football is 100 per cent clean. I just don't think it is as big a deal with football then it is with baseball. I say this while going back to one of my previous comments about how I feel that you don't hear about football players juicing up as much because it is almost always overshadowed by what is going on in the baseball world.

Also, when the steroid problems broke out first in baseball the first news stories were about how MLB refused to cooperate with Congress from the beginning. However the NFL agreed to cooperate with Congress since day one.

Furthermore, Federal and state laws and statues don't make or break someone going to the baseball hall of fame. That choice is made up by the voters and MLB. What I am trying to say is that if they decide to have Big Mack go into the hall then it would be wrong of them to hold the new MLB rules on steroids against him since they weren't around when his problem arose.

Also, Baseball is a game that is full of individual records, whereas football it is mostly team ones. I am not saying that there is no juicing in football, I am just saying that there is not as big an incentive of doing so.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 1/15/10 at 6:10pm

Next thing you know, Barry Bonds will admit he took them. Who would believe that one?