Michael Jackson's Problem- Page 2

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 2:48am

At least he has verifiable talent and made something of it at some point in his life.

YEs, he has a lot of talent - but he threw it all away Updated On: 12/23/04 at 02:48 AM

[Unknown User]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 2:57am

Morosco - you probably won't see this, as apparently I'm being ignored by you, but I thought I'd share a quote from Victor/Victoria: "Being thrown out of here is signifigantly better than being thrown out of a leper colony." And in case my point isn't completely made - F*CK You.

BS - my point was he at least had some recognizable talent at some point that was put to some use. I'm not sure all the bull-SH*Tters on this thread fall into the same category. Updated On: 12/23/04 at 02:57 AM

[broadway_star_tomorrow]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 2:58am

i like that it starred out bull****, but not F*CK.

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 3:21am

No one here is denying his talent.

They are mocking his life choices...

The whole black --> white thing is played out. It's the little boy/plastic surgery that is causing everyone to hate him (so to speak)...

[musicalfandukie]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 3:27am

michael was very talented at one time but the man pretty much asks for all the bad press he gets by the things he does. if honesty offends you DGrant you might want to go back to your world of disbelief.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 3:30am

Musicalfandukie - I think you're right.

[DaysOfWine&Roses]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 9:20am

I think MJ has multiple problems. For the press to zero in on one in particular would be a waste. There's just too much wrong there.

I was thinking that perhaps if he is indeed found guilty, the state will be the one's to finally step in and get him the help he so desperately needs.

I was also thinking if it's possible that he could be found "not guilty" because of his....(I don't know how to put this).....lack of mental capabilities. Kind of along the lines of "Not guilty by reason of insanity". Although I don't think he's insane, just mentally ill.

[CanWeTalkBroadway?]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 12:26pm

I think you're very right DGrant, but then again, there doesn't seem to be a lot of sophisticated or nuanced discussion around here. Sure, Michael Jackson is a public figure and open for discussion, but where is the insight? Where is something that hasn't been said before, much better? There are really smart people who have written some brilliant analyses of Michael Jackson and the issues of race, gender and abuse. They don't post here tho.

If only some of the more dismissive people in this thread who do post here had read Sontag's "On Photography," which cautions about making decisions and comments based on images that capture less than one second of a person's existence.

For example, let's apply the same rigid and cruel analysis to MusicalFanDukie's icon in the style that was used to look at Tiff's, shall we? I mean, it's right there, for all of us to see and veritably invites comment.

Where to begin? Let's see. First of all, MusicalFanDukie has what the folks at datalounge have come to call "a major case of Gay Face." There is of course, absolutely nothing wrong with that. Many very successful people have Gay Face. Your Clay Aikens, your Kevin Spaceys. At least according to the datalounge folks. Just look at MusicalFanDukie's eye area, especially what for all intents and purposes look like a pair of brows that have been tweezed to near Lady Bunny levels. G-A-Y F-A-C-E. Again, not that there's anything wrong with that. And no actual indication of whether or not a person is gay. The way Aiken and Spacey are not.

He also, in these waning days of Atkins-Mania, suffers from the datalounge-named "Carb Face." For celebrity examples of Carb Face, one needs look no further than superstar Ben "Whatever the Title Was of that Failed Xmas movie that wasn't 'Christmas With The Kranks'" Affleck. And Kevin Spacey too, sometimes.

Then there's the hat. The placement of which the less said the better. Yes, we know, keepin' it real, ya'll. He seems to put the "ig" in wigga. In some ways it is a fine compliment to the Target Cherokee checked plaid shirt with that collar that refused to stand up after its first washing. And really, if you were being modeled by MusicalFanDukie, would you be able to stand up either? I didn't think so.

And the choker! It says, "I'm just like everybody else! I do things only after I have seen others do them! I don't want to stand out! I blend in!"

Unfortunately with carb stuffed gay faced wiggas whose eyebrows are ready to arch beneath a beehive wig at amateur night at Lucky Chengs, it's hard to blend in.

I hope honesty doesn't offend you, MusicalFanDukie.
Updated On: 12/23/04 at 12:26 PM

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 12:38pm

Wow, what a great post, CWTB. It really made me think. What if everyone were judged by one picture, say your student ID or drivers license, if you are old enough to have one.

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 12:55pm

I wanna talk about Michael...not Mr. Gay face...

[CanWeTalkBroadway?]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 1:14pm

Exactly, Sueleen, that was Sontag's entire point. People make all sorts of extrapolations based on an image that is shot in less than a second. It's hard not to. Obviously, MusicalFanDukie engages in unhealthy behaviors that I choose not to be around. You can see it in the drowsy eyelids in his photo. It could be drinking, it could be way too much marijuana or maybe even something stronger. Can't you see it? It's all right there in the photo. He looks like somebody who might pass out behind the driver's wheel or let your house burn down and your kids die when he's supposed to be babysitting. I mean, SOMETHING is inspiring him to ingest copious amounts of carbs, right?

But since people want to talk about Michael, let's! Has anyone read "Surgical Passing: Or Why Michael Jackson's Nose Makes 'us' Uneasy" from the journal, Feminist Theory in 2003? Very interesting look, especially at what makes "us" the "us," meaning the majority who can get together and dissect "the other."

I also recommend Phil Harper's (kind of shill alert: he's an old friend) 1998 tome: "Are We Not Men? Masculine Anxiety and the Problem of African-American Identity," for even more insight. Published by Oxford University Press.

It's very easy to sit around and just dish one person when, really, he is a perfect example of the very complicated issues of class, gender and race in the U.S. In fact, there was an entire conference about Michael as a symbol of this complication at Yale this fall.

And since the original poster feels as if "the press" never discusses Jackson's apparent body dysmorphia, I suggest you turn off your cable TV news networks that obsess over Jackson dancing on an SUV, and look for it. Start, here, for example:




The Yale Conference Coverage, 2004 Updated On: 12/23/04 at 01:14 PM

[musicalfandukie]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 2:12pm

wow one would think i called your mother fat or something CanWeTalkBroadway. i don't know why you have decided to be rude and heartless here but for one i wasn't judging michael by any picture i was judging him by the the actions he has made. i never said anything rude about the man i just said he had problems. who doesn't. you can say as many mean things about my icon as you like for it is small and you can't really see what the pic looks like.

gay face - wow i am gay so i don't really care

Carb Face- wtf..lol

wigga - well i dress pretty preppy so i must be a new form of them

pair of brows that have been tweezed - i've never touched my eye brows in my life.

And the choker - well it's a regular american eagle necklas that isnt even tight

wow thanks for teaching me a lesson CanWeTalkBroadway!
...you certinly showed me!! (i would also be happy to show you the full size of my pic so you can correctly analysis me since you have nothing better to do.)



Updated On: 12/23/04 at 02:12 PM

[Right Said Rick]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 2:20pm

Michael's problem is that he doesn't kill them when he is finished with 'em. Dead children tell no tales.

[Matt_G]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 2:21pm

That was written on the blackboard at my elementary school.

[CurtainUp2]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 3:06pm

CanWeTalk... you've proven yet again what a gigantic horse's ass you are. I don't think you've had one nice thing to say about anyone or anything since you joined the board way back on 12/17. So who the hell are you to talk?

[singyourheartout06]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 3:17pm

Wow....beautiful analysis CWTB about musicalfandukie. *Encore!
However...the tiny thing you forgot was...that you know **** about him. You can't "analyze" anyone without knowing them. Atleast in the way of saying that he is a pot smoker and would let kids die..ect.
Who honestly has the time to sit and make fun of a picture anyways? Let alone think up dumb s**t like carb face? Oh wait..that's a job for a dumb f**k like..umm..YOU! Ha...amazing. Why don't I analyze you? You know..I can off what you say..since you did it from a picture.
Now..where should I begin? You sound rather jealous of MFD's so called "carb" face. He has stunning features and is very attractive. Oh yes..his eyebrows..they are rather thin..it's called...BLESSED! HUge bushy eyebrows are disgusting...not attractive...maybe you should attempt to tweeze yers if you dont..and since you like to make up s**t about people...THIS IS GOING TO BE FUN!
Hey everyone...CWTB...by the way he talks...obivously has a tiny dick. He must not eat carbs and is possibly just a skinny piece of nothing. He must be perfect in everyway and has remained DRUG FREE! YAY! He sits at a computer all day and analyzes people pictures and must get an erection from it..it seems to excite him.
See...sucks...SO SHUT THE HELL UP YOU DIRTY BASTARD and GET A LIFE!
TO everyone else...have a nice day and a Merry Christmas!

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 4:16pm

C'mon. We all make judgements based on appearance. The farther out there we are, the more people are gonna say. If I was famous, I'd certainly expect people to talk about me. Of course all they'd be able to say is how hot I am. I guess that's different.

[CanWeTalkBroadway?]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 4:16pm

Oh really Curtains? Not a single nice thing? Please read my sig file and my thread devoted to the second greatest animated musical of all time.

You're kidding, sing and dukie? You mean I, sitting here in my chair, basing judgments of Dukie purely on what it is I can see through the media, (for that is what this website is), am incorrect? How can that be?

Well, at least I was right about The Lady Bunny Eyebrows.

And really, sing, that kinda thing might work in the junior high cafeteria, but here you might as well just write "Oh yeah? That's what YOU are probably" and be done with it.

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 4:21pm

Living in the spotlight is part of being a celebrity. You cannot expect to be famous and not be talked about. Especially if you seek out media attention.

[CanWeTalkBroadway?]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 4:22pm

"...even though he's on trial the court system has let him continue entertaining children on Neverland."

That's not quite how that sort of thing works.

[musicalfandukie]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 4:41pm

"Well, at least I was right about The Lady Bunny Eyebrows."

i'm sorry your jealous but i was born with the eyebrows i was given..i have never plucked or waxed them. Updated On: 12/23/04 at 04:41 PM

[singyourheartout06]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 4:45pm

Seriously CWTB....just stop already! Everyone is sick of hearing yer rude comments. Atleast Dukie put his picture up..you could only put a stupid cartoon. SO why dont you place yerself up on that message board? Lets see YER eyebrows!
Oh yes..junior high..i forgot...let me go back a few years and try it! THats right dukie! Super hott!

[CanWeTalkBroadway?]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 4:50pm

So what's it gonna be Sing? The Private version of that post you sent me or the public version you just put in the thread?

My point was that if somebody feels that because something or somebody is in the public eye they can be discussed, as both Mr. Jackson and Mr. Dukie are, then that great "us" that makes up the public stands a chance of being wrong in their assesments. And Mr. Dukie certainly straightened me out with the standard American Eagle necklace clarification.

I chose not to put my picture up because I need neither praise nor criticisms for what I look like. And though I don't necessarily mean to feed into your eyebrow obsession, I can assure you that they in no way resemble The Lady Bunny's.

Shall I look forward to hearing from you both publicly and privately again?

[musicalfandukie]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 4:56pm

Ok so you find it necessary to insult others just so you can prove a point?? i don't see how that is constructive at all. by the way this is not the media this is called a website and the media is alot more then just looking at a pic and judging it.

[singyourheartout06]

Posted: 12/23/04 at 5:01pm

Yes you are going to hear from us you smart ass. i get the point of basing people off looks..but why did you ever have to use dukie as an example? Very uncalled for and extremely rude and childish. Just dont understand what the hell yer prob is?