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Michigan re-vote unlikely
#25michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 6:48pm
I don't know what you mean by "reasonable." There is very little in politics that I would describe as reasonable.
But there is absolutely no precedent for forcing them to rubber stamp either the popular vote or the delegate count. The system was created to allow them to vote their conscience.
Do I think superdelegates should exist in the future? No.
Do I think caucuses should exist in the future? No.
Do I think Michigan and Florida should be disenfranchised? Hell, no.
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#26michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 6:51pm
PJ I agree with you completely.
Our party at this point needs to come to a reasonable decision. Jrby mentioned "rules" well why is it Hillary can pick and choose which rules she wants to play by?
You are right these superdelegates have the right to do whatever they want, but what happens when they overturn the base? Is that reasonable?
Do you think that is something that would be good for the party? Do you think a disenfranchised majority would vote for a candidate they saw steal an election?
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#27michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 6:58pm
and I have been saying the same thing for months. Superdelegates suck. Caucuses suck. Not counting states suck.
If we don't count mich and fl fine. But you can't turn around and bitch when the superdelegates play by the rules to.
I see the revote as a chance to include all Americans and as necessary given how close this race is. A fair revote. Fair to both candidates and fair to the citizens.
#28michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 6:58pm
and I have been saying the same thing for months. Superdelegates suck. Caucuses suck. Not counting states suck.
If we don't count mich and fl fine. But you can't turn around and bitch when the superdelegates play by the rules to.
I see the revote as a chance to include all Americans and as necessary given how close this race is. A fair revote. Fair to both candidates and fair to the citizens.
mejusthavingfun
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#29michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 7:03pm
"If we don't count mich and fl fine. But you can't turn around and bitch when the superdelegates play by the rules to."
I think people can and they will.
#30michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 7:09pm
I find your word "steal" melodramatic and counterproductive.
If the Democrats can't get behind the chosen candidate, they will lose again.
Which is why I still hold out for Al Gore on a white horse.
#31michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 7:10pm
oh well. Rules is rules.
And why should I pity you. You are happy not having two entire states have a say if the matter and yet, you want to claim the will of the people definitely want obama. You claim this before all states have voted.
You don't give a **** about the will of the people--just in obama winning.
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#32michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 7:13pm
Jrb- I am all for revotes in Florida and MI, I have never said other wise. I'm peeved about both of those. That's not the rules I'm talking about. No I'm not a blind Obama supporter. I can go off about him skipping the Iran vote. Or something his voting record.
I don't think the way to do it is mail-in. But no not perfectly happy. But yea I want Hillary to do the math and concede.
mejusthavingfun
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#33michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 7:16pm
"Which is why I still hold out for Al Gore on a white horse."
What's wrong with brown horses?
#34michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 7:18pm
I don't believe all the superdelegates have weighed in so clearly the math could work for either.
If obama survives this scandal.
mejusthavingfun
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#35michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 7:22pm
There was a call out today for the supers to weigh in earlier before June. We have gotta get this cleared up.
Oh and I found out why Hillary's been so quiet on this preacher business. I didn't know this, because personally I could care less but her religious affiliations are with some nut jobs. There is an article on Huffington Post somewhere.
#36michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 7:29pmunless there is a reason why they shouldnt, I'm all for the superdelegates making their decision in June.
#37michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/20/08 at 8:16pm
I believe 8o of the superdelegates have decided that they will not decide until the convention, which of course, is their right.
I strongly object to "putting a call out." It's like bullying.
#38michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/21/08 at 9:13amwait, so now y'all don't want the super delegates to perform exactly as they were intended to do? they were never meant to rubber stamp the popular choice, but to avoid a cataclysmic mistake.
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#39michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/21/08 at 9:20amWhere was this concern for the disenfranchised voters of Michigan and Florida before it was politically advantageous for Clinton? Did she (or Obama) dispute the DNC's decision to strip these states of their delegates for moving up their primaries? I could respect her more if she were honest and acknowledged that her feigned concern is purely political.
#40michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/21/08 at 10:09amTo lildogs -- Obama wasn't on the Michigan ballot because HE WITHDREW from it. It's not like the people of Michigan took him off. That was his own choice.
#41michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/21/08 at 10:14amObama is the one playing politics with Michigan, stalling, so he can keep Hillary's totals from including the bulk of 2 million votes from Florida and Michigan. That's not unity. That's not change. That's politics as usual. And ignoring one of the most fundamental principles of our democracy: one person one vote.
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#42michigan re-vote unlikely
Posted: 3/21/08 at 10:50am
"Where was this concern for the disenfranchised voters of Michigan and Florida before it was politically advantageous for Clinton? "
Not to stand up for Clinton but both states were pissed. Thats why people actually voted against Clinton in Michigan.
"Obama is the one playing politics with Michigan, stalling, so he can keep Hillary's totals from including the bulk of 2 million votes from Florida and Michigan. "
So you are saying the votes should be counted despite both election clearly being mishandled? Do you understand how close Michigan and Florida would be if there was a proper vote? Hillary came in at nearly half in both cases. In Michigan Barack wasn't on the ballot and she still only got 56% of the vote.
I'm all for a revote, especially in Florida but statistically she is not going to get the 75% she needs to push this her way. I think revote but what real chance does she have? She can pray for Obama to take a few misteps but by then it will be June. I can understand Hillary's 11th hour thing but what is the cost to her party here?
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