Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#1
Posted: 9/23/13 at 1:47pm
Remember the heated debate we had a few months ago about the 1%er moms in NYC hiring disabled people to help their family jump waiting in lines?
Disney issued the new policy that effective October 9...everyone waits in line:
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/disney-world-s-message-to-the-disabled--wait-in-line-161946185.html
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#2
Posted: 9/23/13 at 1:48pmGood. Bring a stool if you have to.
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#2
Posted: 9/23/13 at 1:50pmHmmm. Not sure how this is going to work. My Dad was disabled and in a wheelchair and we did Disney a lot growing up, living close to it. While it had it's advantages obviously, a vast number of the lines are just not wheelchair accessible so there has to be a separate entrance. So for Disney to spend what would I'd imagine to be an absolute fortune to reconstruct their rides by October 9th just so a few Assholes don't abuse the system doesn't really seem fair to me.
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#3
Posted: 9/23/13 at 1:52pmWe'll have to wait until someone sues.
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#4
Posted: 9/23/13 at 1:56pmI can only imagine that the answer will be: Have family members who are not disabled wait in the line and when they are ready to board the ride vehicle we will board the disabled family member, who entered via the handicapped entrance, with them. This does not require any change to the existing attractions.
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#5
Posted: 9/23/13 at 2:00pmTo have all of the handicapped people will be kept away from the regular folk, and their families, seems a little odd.
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#6
Posted: 9/23/13 at 2:00pmThat would never work. Disney can't be known as the place where disabled patrons have to go and wait all by themselves while the rest of their family is together in line.
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#7
Posted: 9/23/13 at 2:04pmThen Disney's proposed method "tickets that offer an entry time and a shorter wait, similar to those of the FastPass system that's offered to all park guests now" keeps everyone together.
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#8
Posted: 9/23/13 at 2:16pm
This sounds fine. They are not ignoring the disabled nor are they doing away with all policies and easy entrances.
If you read what they're saying, they are issuing "fast passes" for the disabled. They don't have to wait in line. They can wait somewhere else (in chairs, inside, in cool, comfortable areas) until it's their turn to ride the ride. And I'm sure they can use a handicapped entrance to get on when they need to. It just isn't an "instant access" to the ride, like it used to be.
I think that's fair to everyone. Yes, It's unfortunate that we live in a world full of people always looking for ways to cut in line. And it's also unfortunate that Disney allows 7 billion people to roam their amusement parks each day, especially the people with SUV-like strollers with kids too young to know where they are. They are essentially roadblocks on wheels.
Not the way it used to be. If you look at older videos of Disneyland, there are very few babies in strollers. Parents didn't used to take kids to places like this until they were old enough to appreciate it (and old enough to walk on their own). At least five and up. But people don't do that anymore.
So the rules have to change.
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#9
Posted: 9/23/13 at 2:57pm
best12...so you don't recommend bringing an infant into the public to be with their family in the elements (weather: heat usually) and the multitudes of germs to build family memories!? It isn't about the children!
I totally agree with you. WHY would you bring a small infant to a theme park when they are getting nothing out of the experience.
I am busting to bring my daughter but she is only 3. She might enjoy some moments but on a whole she is just as happy at the park down the block and having quick access to her environment.
I want to bring her when she is tall enough to enjoy some attractions geared to her age level. When she doesn't need a mid-afternoon cap - yes she still naps and when she doesn't get it she is very tired and miserable. I do not want to bring a stroller OR a diaper bag too. I want her to be mobile for the most part. It is all about her. So maybe when she is 5 - bingo - isn't that what you said!?
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#10
Posted: 9/23/13 at 3:35pmMm, not sure how I feel about this, we'll see how it ends up working out. The thing with people who are disabled is that usually it comes with a lot more than simply not being able to walk; my father is paraplegic and he suffers from high blood pressure, he gets panic attacks, and has a schedule where he needs to be changed every so often. Obviously I can't be objective at all about this, and there is a side of me that just feels that someone in that condition deserves a break of some sort; I guess the counterargument is that if you are in such a bad condition you shouldn't even put yourself through the experience of a theme park, so I see both sides. I imagine this is one of those where people who are actually personally affected will care more than those who can see it more objectively.
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#11
Posted: 9/23/13 at 4:35pm
It makes me sad that people can be so selfish. There really is no excuse for the fact that people lied and connived their way into the line.
I hope each and every one of them has their car towed, because you just know these are the asshats who park in handicapped spots.
But since some people are douches like that I guess this is the only choice Disney has.
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#12
Posted: 9/23/13 at 6:48pm
"If you read what they're saying, they are issuing "fast passes" for the disabled. They don't have to wait in line. They can wait somewhere else (in chairs, inside, in cool, comfortable areas) until it's their turn to ride the ride. And I'm sure they can use a handicapped entrance to get on when they need to. It just isn't an "instant access" to the ride, like it used to be."
BINGO!
They will only have to wait in a fast pass style of line, or, in other words, the handicapped entrance.
I never understood why they didn't always do it this way, or have the handicapped person wait in the handicapped line until their party reaches the front of the line and then they join them.
It should never have been a pass to jump the line.
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#13
Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:03pm
Kilimanjaro Safaris driver here! I can explain what's happening.
No queues are being reconfigured. When a guest with a DAS (formerly GAC) card wants to ride an attraction, they will be directed to a kiosk. The kiosk will allow them to make a "reservation" to experience the attraction based on the posted standby wait time. For example, if KSR has a standby wait of 40 minutes, and a guest went to the kiosk at 11 AM, they would be given a return time of after 11:40. We've been instructed to admit them up to 10 minutes prior to the return time to accommodate walk time.
A couple of other notes:
-They are only allowed to have one of these out at a time.
-Guests in wheelchairs, with no other disabilities are intelligible for this program if the queue is completely accessible. For example, our queue at KSR is 100% handicapped accessible.
-Guests need to visit guest relations EACH day to get the DAS card.
Any questions, let me know! Casts have been going to trainings the past week or so ( everyone in attractions is required to attend a 1 hour training by the October 9 roll-out date).
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#14
Posted: 9/23/13 at 9:34pm
The comments on that article calling this discrimination are a little ridiculous. This is technically removing the discrimination by treating them like everyone else. As adamgreer explained, their actual needs are being provided for with this new system. They just don't get to jump to the front of the line with 8 of their closest relatives anymore, which is not in any way necessary to accommodate disabilities.
This is Disney World. They've done scientific studies about the exact PMS shade of green people will visually ignore, and how far to space apart trash cans to minimize litter. I sincerely, deeply doubt there wasn't an extensive study of their parks and the people utilizing this policy on a daily basis before they made a decision like this. Which basically means it's far more common than just the Manhattan mom story in the Post.
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#15
Posted: 9/23/13 at 9:46pmI used to know someone who rented a wheelchair every time she went to Disney World. She had no real need for a wheelchair except for getting to the front of most of the lines
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#16
Posted: 9/23/13 at 9:49pm
Creating access for the handicapped means accessible accommodation that is equal to non-handicapped people, it shouldn't mean preferential treatment.
If they have to wait in line to get on a ride, they can join the club. Nobody likes to do that. Nobody is comfortable with that, and nobody enjoys that.
That's equality.
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#17
Posted: 9/23/13 at 9:54pmA-Men!
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#18
Posted: 9/23/13 at 9:55pm
But... people with disabilities AREN'T equal. And providing access is just a small part of accommodating a guest with a disability.
I can't be fully objective about this, and I hate that people without disabilities abuse the system, ruining it for those who are truly deserving of this small 'kindness' of moving to the head of the line during their visit to a Disney park.
I'd gladly wait in line a while longer so those who don't enjoy the ability to function in life the way I can are given a little bit of special treatment in the 'happiest place on earth'...
Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#19
Posted: 9/23/13 at 10:02pm
No, they aren't equal, but providing them with enough special accommodations so that they can be equal should be the goal, not providing them with special accommodations so that they can advance beyond everyone else.
Addy, I agree with you that if people wouldn't abuse the system, I would be fine with it the way it is now, too. It used to be a small incidental inconvenience (if you could even call it that) to let handicapped visitors go ahead of you.
But I have been to Disneyland twice now with handicapped guests as part of our parties (one was my cousin). I have seen the abuse of this privilege both times. And it made me angry. These abusers have basically ruined it for everyone else, both handicapped and non-handicapped visitors.
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#20
Posted: 9/23/13 at 10:04pm
But they won't be waiting any longer.
They will be waiting the same amount of time they would have waited in the Stan-By line as before. They just have to show up at their scheduled time and then have short wait in the stand-by line.
They just wont be able to bring a hoard of people with them, and immediately cut in front of everyone.
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#21
Posted: 9/23/13 at 10:06pm
And we'll agree to disagree.
I love the fact that Disney provided a special treat for people who have to face challenges in life. Let them move to the front of the line if it can add a little extra happiness to their day.
...and if the family members who lovingly care for people with special needs can be a part of that, then I'm fine with the 'hoards' who accompany them.
As I said, I cannot be objective about this.
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#22
Posted: 9/23/13 at 10:32pm
And as someone who used to work there and still visits on a regular basis, it's a shame that everyone seems to have taken advantage of it.
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#23
Posted: 9/23/13 at 10:33pm
On that, we fully agree.
Those who cheat end up punishing all of us.
It makes me sad.
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Oct 9th Disney Parks change policy for ALL to wait in line#24
Posted: 9/23/13 at 10:40pm
It started out by just giving easier access for handicapped people, since most of the queue lines were never designed for people with disabilities. It was usually easier to take them through the exit.
It’s very kind of you to want to offer to wait longer, but the fact is that people have paid huge amounts of money to get into the park, and for some of them it’s a once in a life time experience, and asking them to wait longer in lines, while entire families with a disabled person to cut in front of them is basically what upsets people.
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