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#76

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

"This is gonna end up hurting MSNBC more than it is gonna hurt Keith Olberman"

I couldn't disagree more. I think this is a win-win for MSNBC and Olbermann. MSNBC gets to show integrity and ethics, and draw a clear distinction between themselves and Fox. Olbermann gets to play victim.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#77

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

I do not see this as a win win for MSNBC,IMO.

"After Friday’s news, Olbermann fell silent – but his supporters were vocal. As of Sunday night, more than 275,000 people had signed an online petition on the website saveolbermann.com to reinstate the talk show host.

One fan even created a Twitter account with the name 'Team Keith Olbermann' and numerous users tweeted MSNBC president Phil Griffin's phone number, encouraging followers to call and complain about Olbermann's suspension.

"MSNBC President Phil Griffin's office number has been changed due to constant phone calls regarding @keitholbermann," @Team Keith Olbermann tweeted proudly on Sunday."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/11/07/2010-11-07_suspended_msnbc_host_keith_olbermann_breaks_silence_on_twitter_tells_fans_greeti.html#ixzz14eAlFH4c
'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-
#78

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

Let's see...he donated to a candidate, then interviewed that candidate without disclosing it to his viewers. According to Rachel Maddow, who took Fox to task for such actions, that is unethical. If MSNBC is wrong, then Maddow should retract her editorial, which was unanimously praised here. MSNBC has rules, he broke them, and he is paying the cost for it. And what's the downside? Olbermann will certainly be back, and both he and MSNBC would have gained a ton of publicity.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#79

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations


07 Nov 2010 8:51 PM
STATEMENT REGARDING KEITH OLBERMANN - SUNDAY, NOV. 7

STATEMENT REGARDING KEITH OLBERMANN - SUNDAY, NOV. 7

From Phil Griffin, President of MSNBC:

After several days of deliberation and discussion, I have determined that suspending Keith through and including Monday night's program is an appropriate punishment for his violation of our policy. We look forward to having him back on the air Tuesday night.

http://www.nbcuniversal.presscentre.com/Content/Detail.aspx?ReleaseID=2458&NewsAreaID=2&ClientID=7

Not even a full week! I think MSNBC was feeling the heat and I think Phil Griffin may have to answer for his actions. This entire situation could have been handled differently.A verbal warning would have been enough. I think his intentions were to embarrass and humiliate Keith (which backfired IMO)

SHORTEST SUSPENSION IN THE WORLD

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/07/keith-olbermann-to-return_n_780141.html



'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

Updated On: 11/7/10 at 09:29 PM

#80

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

He will be returning on Tuesday, so that makes a two-show suspension.
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"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#81

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

To me, that means that Olbermann clearly has the bigger pair.

I thought it would be longer. The loser here is Griffin.

FWIW Romantico, Griffin originally asked Olbermann to provide an on-air apology, which he refused to do. Apparently, that is what precipitated the suspension.
#83

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

Actually, I gained more respect for Olberman for NOT apologizing on the air. I wonder if MSNBC will allow him to speak about it and give his take on what happened.
'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-
#84

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

Funny, I lost a little respect for him. I am not sure what his contract reads, so maybe there is some ambiguity there - but as someone who has made a point of highlighting Fox's corporate contributions (which I understand are not the same as his personal contributions), and all of the attempts to say "we are not Fox" he would at least go out of his way to demonstrate that yes, there are rules regarding on-air talent financially supporting specific candidates, and yes, if you violate them there are in fact consequences.

Keith comes off as someone who thinks the rules (even if they are silly) do not apply to him. It's not a look I personally like.

But again, as with most things I post, that is just my individual opinion. Everyone else most likely has a different reaction.
#85

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

Personally, I think he should apologize. He interviewed a candidate to whom he had made the maximum legal donation, without disclosing that information to his viewers. If you believe Maddow's editorial from the other night, that's unethical, so I think it warrants an apology. Otherwise, this undermines her credibility for claiming the high road for MSNBC.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#86

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

Keith Olbermann Demanded MSNBC Apology (and got it)

http://www.popeater.com/2010/11/08/keith-olbermann-return-MSNBC

MSNBC "seems to have been caught completely off guard by the magnitude of the backlash"

"The speed of MSNBC's reversal shows how tenuous their case against Olbermann was from the outset. What's particularly surprising is that the network seems to have been caught completely off guard by the magnitude of the backlash to the original suspension and the P.R. disaster that resulted -another sign of the folly of its continuing equivocation about the liberal identity that's been responsible for much of its success."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/the_morning_plum_126.html

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

Updated On: 11/8/10 at 09:03 AM

#87

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

If there's any truth to that story, which I find difficult to believe, it makes me respect Olbermann less than I already do.

He 'discovered' Rachel Maddow?

I read into this that he wants MSNBC to be just like Fox. He wants to be as unconstrained as their anchors are. In other words, he wants to undermine everything Maddow said Friday night.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#88

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

^^^^^

This.

I sometimes think that MB is the more reasoned side of my brain.

He certainly did not "discover" Maddow (she was already on Air America) but he certainly gave her a bit boost in getting her MSNBC show. So, maybe he brought Maddow to MSNBC's attention?
#89

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

Maddow was a frequent (regular?) panelist on the MSNBC show that David Gregory used to host. I forget it's name. She did fill in for Olbermann on Countdown, and I believe she received a terrific repsonse when she did. I don't know enough about the sequence of the events that say which were instrumental in her getting her own shown, or how much Olbermann had to do with any of it.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#91

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

This was a publicity stunt.
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#92

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

Reg - of course, you're correct, but it wouldn't seem out of character for him.

Goth - it would not surprise me, not one little bit, if your assertion is correct, but I don't think we'll ever find that out.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#93

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

Since it's an anonymous source, I don't think comment can be parsed that much, but I do think that for all intents and purposes he discovered her as far as her tv career goes. She always seems to credit him with her break at the network, so I don't really get bugged by that statement. If not discovered, than certainly he was still instrumental in her success at the network. Again, he's not claiming this, so I don't fault him for the comment in that article.

What happened to the thing about NBC and MSNBC not being under the same division? That seemed to fly out as quickly as it flew in. I know Maddow specifically said CNBC wasn't under the same umbrella as NBC news, but I thought maybe she had recorded that after that news had come out.

I read into this that he wants MSNBC to be just like Fox. He wants to be as unconstrained as their anchors are. In other words, he wants to undermine everything Maddow said Friday night.

I don't really see it that way. I see him as getting caught in the snares of an unclear, possible selectively enforced network rule, in an affair that was undoubtedly trumped up because of Olbermann's status as a liberal talking head.

Finally, and this is just me, I don't really see Maddow and Olbermann as that different. He may be louder and more blustery, but I don't think that Maddow's partisanship is that much more opaque. I find her to interject her opinion into her show all the time, which is fine, because it's an editorial show.






Updated On: 11/8/10 at 09:45 AM

#94

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

"I find her to interject her opinion into her show all the time, which is fine, because it's an editorial show."

That's true of both of them, as well as all pundits. However, I see huge differences between them. She is much more of a true journalist, and does far more reporting than Olbermann (or other pundits). She's done terrific journalistic work on the homophobia in Uganda and its link to the US religious right, the BP oil spill, and the conservative 'C Street' organization in DC. In addition, she makes her case with information and reason, where Olbermann relies much more on bluster and hyperbole. She can also have reasonable interviews with people with whom she disagrees, and she can also dismantle unprepared guests like Rand Paul.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#95

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

Olbermann is as responsible as anyone for making MSNBC what is is today. Countdown was to be a straight news show until he took it in a different direction. He did indeed lobby hard to give Maddow a show and she often credits him for making her a TV personality. Take those two shows off and what is left? A bunch of prison documentaries.
#96

Olbermann may be in trouble for political donations

That C Street stuff was good.

I guess I didn't really phrase myself correctly, because I do agree with you in your last post. I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to say what I want to say, but my poor tired brain ain't giving me any help here. :)
#98

Olbermann may be a genius

I hadn't realized Conan O'Brien debuted this week. Kudos to MSNBC for so cleverly stealing his thunder. Everyone can tune in Monday, be disappointed, then flip back to MCNBC to see what Keith says Tuesday.
#99

Olbermann may be a genius

I'm not following. Conan's on at 11.

I think Goth's theory is more accurate. A big public dust-up right at the beginning of Sweeps Month. Perfect timing.
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#100

Olbermann may be a genius

I've never been a big fan of Conan but I hope his new show makes his fans happy.

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