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#1

Pottery Barn to open in Fallujah!

And if you break anything, you own the whole store, and the people who work there, and travel to and from the enterprise every day in a tank.

I was fascinated to watch Fox's gloating coverage of the news that we have now taken 100% of Fallujah. It's like a download bar measuring how many minutes left till the download is complete. Now that we've made it "ours," what does our ownership portend?
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling

Updated On: 11/14/04 at 05:58 PM

#3

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Holy Shiite.
"The stage is where I live and come alive and act out all the things that go on in my life. It's not just what I do for a living, it's my shrink and my love affair. No one in my life has ever or ever will kiss me on the mouth like this lover called my relationship with my performance."
#4

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Now that we've made it "ours," what does our ownership portend?

Silly Auggie. It means our collective penis is bigger than their collective penis. And in the end, that's what really counts, isn't it?
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It's so comforting to know that we've just about secured control of Fallujah, not to mention destroyed it. Never mind the fact that most of the insurgents left before we entered and are now occupying other cities where violence is on the rise. And all it cost us for this "smoke and mirror" show and pointless game of "insurgent shuffle" was 44 American lives, and nearly 300 wounded in just over one week. What a disgrace!
There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

Updated On: 11/15/04 at 07:11 PM

#8

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As you no doubt are well aware Pal, they're already doing just that. According to CNN, insurgent violence is on the rise in at least 7 other Iraqi cities. All we've succeeded in doing is moving them from one place to another. Oh what a circus, oh what a show...
There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela
#12

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passing off common dreams as news is akin to linking to the freepers site and calling it news.
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Updated On: 11/15/04 at 09:56 AM

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Papa... as you are no doubt well aware, "Common Dreams" compiles news articles from numerous sources, in addition to their own. This article was published by the Independent/UK. Much of what is stated in the article has also been reported by CNN, as well as a number of other news organizations with reporters embedded in Iraq. And I don't know how anyone could read that article and be anything but deeply, deeply saddened for the inncocent Iraqi civilians who have lost their homes and families to this senseless and futile "media show".
There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

Updated On: 11/15/04 at 10:11 AM

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sorry, i'm just disgusted by the weeping an gnashing of teeth over murderers who installed a theocratic regime in the town fueled by summary executions and amputations. murderers who danced under the strange fruit of charred american bodies. i feel no sympathy whatsoever for the people of fallujah. they chose to dance with the devil. it is their own fault that they did not realize that in order to dance with the devil, one must go to hell. f*** 'em. the smart ones had already left and those that chose to remain behind, knowing what was coming, were either deserving of their fate for collaborating with the islamo-fascists or too stupid to merit sympathy.
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pray to st. jude

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#17

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"f*** 'em. the smart ones had already left and those that chose to remain behind, knowing what was coming, were either deserving of their fate for collaborating with the islamo-fascists or too stupid to merit sympathy."

I'm sorry you feel that way. How easy would it be for you to leave your home, and everything you have in the world, if you were in their position? They're people. Living, breathing people, with families, friends, homes, and treasured possesions. They're not animals. Even animals deserve better.
There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela
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if my city had beeen the site of a middle ages massacre where the bodies of the dead were hung up as trophies and the military that those bodies represented surrpounded my city? if my city was ruled thugs and butchers who routinely killed by hacking them to pieces those who so much as questioned their authority? if my city was ruled by barbarians who killed people for so much as suspicion of collaboration with the enemy? if this was my city, i'd be so ashamed i would have rather killed myself than stay. if i was stupid enough to remain knowing that the united states marine corps was sitting across the street waiting to come and kill those who'd been taking potshots at them from mosques, then i would deserve death and the collective iq of humanity would be raised by that death!

ironically, their lives will be measurably easier under a city council that doesn't hack off limbs and wantonly murder for such transgressions as a woman walking alone without a male family member. how easy it is to sit here and curse the americans when daily escapees from that city came to the marines and said, "why have you not come to free us?" the enemy we fight there is not trying to better anything. they have no plan save for brutality. their only goal is to stop the majority of iraqis from instituting anything close to a democracy because they'd be shown up as the murdering nihilists that they are. that sane people could sit and weep over their deaths is disgusting.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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#19

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I'm sorry. I guess I'm just one of those "bleeding heart liberals". But all of this just makes me incredibly sad. Have we learned nothing from history? Has the miserable failure of the Vietnam War taught us nothing? Are we destined to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over? You will NEVER outfight or outlast insurgents in their own country. NEVER! You may win a battle, but you will NEVER win the war!
There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

Updated On: 11/15/04 at 10:46 AM

#20

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you will never outfight or outlast insurgents in their own country.


that statement might be true if the insurgency we faced in iraq represented a majority if iraqis. it does not. the enemy we face is the remnants of the saddam regime, sunnis who represent a minority which has been brutally ruling over the majority shias and kurds for over 30 years using fear and murder and violence. they are bolstered by foreign fighters like abu musab al-zarqawi, a jordanian, and influxes of cannon fodder from iran and syria. if this were still us brawling with shias in najaf i would be concerned, but the minority sunnis will never attract a popular revolt. especially not when their brand of rule is as ugly and hopeless as saddam's. what we are facing is the remains of the army that melted into the landscape rather than fight. it is not a polular "people's insurgency." it's the last gasps of those who have held power over so many for so long and the nihilists who would rather kill iraqis than see americans accomplish anything.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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#21

re: pottery barn to open in fallujah!

"I think the residents of Fallujah don't want this sort of peace," the bearded cleric said after his release. "They want a real peace, not a peace that stabs in the back and strikes and destroys homes and kills women and children."

Failure in Fallujah
By Scott Peterson, Christian Science Monitor
Posted on October 20, 2004, Printed on November 15, 2004

The collapse of peace talks between Fallujah representatives and the Iraqi government signaled an end of hope for Ahmad Salim last Thursday. The generator mechanic loaded his tearful family into a car and escaped the embattled city of Fallujah by way of dusty farm tracks.

Already 80 percent of the city's population of 300,000 has made the same decision, he estimates, even as the intense US bombardments over the weekend gave way to relative quiet Monday.

"We were happy when the negotiations started, but were shocked when they arrested [chief Fallujah representative Sheikh Khaled] al-Jumaili," says Mr. Salim, speaking at a relative's home in Baghdad, where he has brought his wife and three children to wait out the conflict. "I think the Americans will wipe Fallujah from the map."

Salim's thinking provides a glimpse into the world view of ordinary Fallujans, who say they are torn between their wish for peace, their opposition to the U.S. presence, and their disgust for the tactics of terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, which include suicide bombings, attacks, and kidnappings of foreigners that have ended in gruesome videotaped beheadings.

Iraq's interim government has vowed to "smash" all resistance before January elections. After months of ignoring Sunni strongholds like Fallujah – virtual no-go zones – U.S. forces earlier this month began a major, rolling offensive to reclaim insurgent territory.

The U.S. push now is to conquer Fallujah, root out the local resistance, and eject Zarqawi and his band of foreign militants. But the release Monday of Mr. Jumaili, after three days, illustrates the delicate nature of the cold-then-hot U.S. approach. Fallujans were "surprised" at his detention, and upon release, Jumaili declared that talks would not resume.

"I think the residents of Fallujah don't want this sort of peace," the bearded cleric said after his release. "They want a real peace, not a peace that stabs in the back and strikes and destroys homes and kills women and children."

On Monday, Allawi told Iraq's National Council that an "olive branch" is still being offered to Fallujah representatives, but he said, "We shall not be lenient in regard to the question of maintaining security and granting security to every Iraqi."

Complicating the picture is the interim government's demand that Fallujans hand over Mr. Zarqawi. City negotiators say that task is "impossible," and claim that the Jordanian militant is not in the city.

In a declaration issued on the Internet – surprising for its timing, if not its substance – Zarqawi's Tawhid and Jihad group on Sunday pledged its allegiance to Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda's strategy of battling the "enemies of Islam." Some analysts say that the announcement was an attempt by Zarqawi to entice new recruits.

As the Americans step up aggressive tactics against the city and prospects for a negotiated settlement appear to dim, civilians tired of the conflict are fleeing.

"Violence begets violence," says Salim. "Of course we are against these terrorist operations. No Muslim would allow himself to cut someone's throat. Our holy book says: 'If you capture someone, you must feed them, even with your own food.' "

But just as Salim rejects Zarqawi's methods, he also believes that Fallujah has been unfairly singled out for attack.

"We hate anyone who comes to [occupy] our city. Most people refuse to allow foreign [fighters] to go there," says Salim. "There are many operations across Iraq – car bombs, mortars, everything – not just in Fallujah. Why do they insist [on targeting] Fallujah, and one man?"

Memories of April

Salim says his experience is common to many Fallujans, who have been rattled by weeks of nightly airstrikes and fearful expectations of an imminent U.S.-led military siege and push on the city that promises heavy casualties on both sides.

When the U.S. Marines engaged the Fallujah resistance for three weeks last April – in the aftermath of the killing and mutilation of four American contractors – more than 100 marines and 600 Iraqis died. U.S. forces have since ceded the city to the resistance.

The result is new fear that is tearing at family social fabric, which Iraqis say has only hardened attitudes against American efforts.

Throughout the conversation, Salim's young face lights up only once: when describing the purchase of new clothes and schoolbooks for his two oldest children.

Classes began Oct. 1, and lasted just two days. Since then, the children have hardly slept, their parents say, kept awake by the constant crash and vibrations of explosions.

"I'm afraid because the planes bomb our district and we can't go to school," says Salim's 10-year-old son Ala. "We can't go to school for fear of attack."

Watching on TV

Salim turns up the volume of the television, as the Al Jazeera channel shows headlines of several wounded children in a Fallujah hospital, and reports that the U.S. bombing intensified on Sunday.

Media reports cited witnesses, who said that during a nine-hour battle Sunday, U.S. forces fired on a family trying to escape, killing all five. News agencies reported Fallujah doctors saying that four civilians were killed, including a child.

"We are just concerned with living in safety," says Salim's wife, who wears a conservative white head wrap over a black shawl. "Sure, when you leave your city you are sad. We've left a father and mother and a house and more family. We are always thinking about them."

Personal experience with civilian casualties during the latest surge of fighting, and the battles last April, convinced the Salim family to go.

"What did this teach us about the Americans?" asks Mrs. Salim. "First we thought the Americans came to liberate our country, but now our conclusion is the opposite. We know they came to destroy our country."

Questions over Intelligence Quality

Reversing that perception will not be easy, in a city where U.S. and Iraqi forces are erring on the side of striking first and asking questions later.

One source close to the Iraqi leadership says that U.S. airstrikes are "hitting a lot of people, [and] not that every one is a target. The intelligence isn't great – but there comes a point when you just go."

Though the U.S. asserts that nearly every attack is a "precision strike" on a target related to Zarqawi's network, civilians have inevitably died is the urban environment.

Some were killed two weeks ago, when a huge air-dropped bomb landed a few hundred yards from Salim's house at 2 a.m. – a wake-up call that shook the family to their core. The children came running to their father's bed, looking for sanctuary.

"I held all my family together and said: 'We die just once in this life, not twice. Thank God, [the bombing] was far from us.'" Salim recalls. Within 30 minutes – after waiting, in case of a second U.S. strike – Salim made his way in the dark down to the two-family house that was targeted.

He will never forget the image that greeted him, and never forgive.

"Most of them were children, all of them dead," Salim says, of the families he helped dig out of the rubble with bare hands. "When something happens, everybody runs there to help rescue, like an ambulance - maybe a friend will be [the victim] there."

Pulling Together for Survival

Salim says he gave blood twice that day. And there are other shortages – especially of anesthetics. The targeted house often hosts weddings and other gatherings. "Maybe the Americans thought: Why are there so many cars there? The father had a trucking business."

Whatever the reasons, the lesson for the Salim family was that their survival was at risk in Fallujah, regardless of their political views.

"I can't describe the feelings of that day," says Mrs. Salim, recalling her husband's vivid description of the bomb scene. "It's not just fear for your family – maybe your neighbor or a relative can be killed, by a misfired rocket, maybe randomly. Even walking in the street."

There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela
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"1,200 dead insurgents" = 1,200 dead civilians, because the insurgents all left for their appointment in Samarra

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AP Photographer Flees Fallujah

Sun Nov 14, 1:19 PM ET

By KATARINA KRATOVAC, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - In the weeks before the crushing military assault on his hometown, Bilal Hussein sent his parents and brother away from Fallujah to stay with relatives.

The 33-year-old Associated Press photographer stayed behind to capture insider images during the siege of the former insurgent stronghold.

"Everyone in Fallujah knew it was coming. I had been taking pictures for days," he said. "I thought I could go on doing it."

In the hours and days that followed, heavy bombing raids and thunderous artillery shelling turned Hussein's northern Jolan neighborhood into a zone of rubble and death. The walls of his house were pockmarked by coalition fire.

"Destruction was everywhere. I saw people lying dead in the streets, wounded were bleeding and there was no one to come and help them. Even the civilians who stayed in Fallujah were too afraid to go out," he said.

"There was no medicine, water, no electricity nor food for days."

By Tuesday afternoon, as U.S. forces and Iraqi rebels engaged in fierce clashes in the heart of his neighborhood, Hussein snapped.

"U.S. soldiers began to open fire on the houses, so I decided that it was very dangerous to stay in my house," he said.

Hussein said he panicked, seizing on a plan to escape across the Euphrates River, which flows on the western side of the city

"I wasn't really thinking," he said. "Suddenly, I just had to get out. I didn't think there was any other choice."

In the rush, Hussein left behind his camera lens and a satellite telephone for transmitting his images. His lens, marked with the distinctive AP logo, was discovered two days later by U.S. Marines next to a dead man's body in a house in Jolan.

AP colleagues in the Baghdad bureau, who by then had not heard from Hussein in 48 hours, became even more worried.

Hussein moved from house to house — dodging gunfire — and reached the river.

"I decided to swim ... but I changed my mind after seeing U.S. helicopters firing on and killing people who tried to cross the river."

He watched horrified as a family of five was shot dead as they tried to cross. Then, he "helped bury a man by the river bank, with my own hands."

"I kept walking along the river for two hours and I could still see some U.S. snipers ready to shoot anyone who might swim. I quit the idea of crossing the river and walked for about five hours through orchards."

He met a peasant family, who gave him refuge in their house for two days. Hussein knew a driver in the region and sent a message to another AP colleague, Ali Ahmed, in nearby Ramadi.

Ahmed relayed the news that Hussein was alive to AP's Baghdad bureau. He sent a second message back to Hussein that a fisherman in nearby Habaniyah would ferry the photographer to safety by boat.

"At the end of the boat ride, Ali was waiting for me. He took me to Baghdad, to my office."

Sitting safely in the AP's offices, a haggard-looking Hussein offered a tired smile of relief.

"It was a terrible experience in which I learned that life is precious," he said. "I am happy that I am still alive after being close to death during these past days."
AP Photographer Flees Fallujah
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Thanks for posting that PJoey.

Clearly, the seige of Fallujah is the start of something,not the end. No spin on "taking" the city will change the hearts/minds issue, which this administration has never, ever given more than lip service to.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
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Published on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 by Inter Press Service

800 Civilians Feared Dead in Fallujah
by Dahr Jamail


BAGHDAD -- At least 800 civilians have been killed during the U.S. military siege of Fallujah, a Red Cross official estimates.

Speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of U.S. military reprisal, a high-ranking official with the Red Cross in Baghdad told IPS that ”at least 800 civilians” have been killed in Fallujah so far.

His estimate is based on reports from Red Crescent aid workers stationed around the embattled city, from residents within the city and from refugees, he said.

”Several of our Red Cross workers have just returned from Fallujah since the Americans won't let them into the city,” he said. ”And they said the people they are tending to in the refugee camps set up in the desert outside the city are telling horrible stories of suffering and death inside Fallujah.”

The official said that both Red Cross and Iraqi Red Crescent relief teams had asked the U.S. military in Fallujah to take in medical supplies to people trapped in the city, but their repeated requests had been turned down.

A convoy of relief supplies from both relief organisations continues to wait on the outskirts of the city for military permission to enter. They have appealed to the United Nations to intervene on their behalf.

”The Americans close their ears, and that is it,” the Red Cross official said. ”They won't even let us take supplies into Fallujah General Hospital.”

The official estimated that at least 50,000 residents remain trapped within the city. They were too poor to leave, lacked friends or family outside the city and therefore had nowhere to go, or they simply had not had enough time to escape before the siege began, he said.

Aid workers in his organisation have reported that houses of civilians in Kharma, a small city near Fallujah, had been bombed by U.S. warplanes. In one instance a family of five was killed just two days ago, they reported.

”I don't know why the American leaders did not approach the Red Cross and ask us to deal with the families properly before the attacking began,” said a Red Cross aid worker, who also spoke on condition of anonymity.

”Suddenly they attacked and people were stuck with no help, no medicine, no food, no supplies,” he said. ”So those who could, ran for the desert while the rest were trapped in the city.”

If the U.S. forces would call a temporary cease-fire ”we could get our trucks in and get the civilians left in Fallujah who need medical care, we could get them out,” he said.

Mosques have organised massive collections of food and relief supplies for Fallujah residents as they did last April when the city was under attack, but these supplies have not been allowed into the city either.

The Red Cross official said they had received several reports from refugees that the military had dropped cluster bombs in Fallujah, and used a phosphorous weapon that caused severe burns.

The U.S. military claims to have killed 1,200 ”insurgents” in Fallujah. Abdel Khader Janabi, a resistance leader from the city has said that only about 100 among them were fighters.

”Both of them are lying,” the Red Cross official said. ”While they agree on the 1,200 number, they are both lying about the number of dead fighters.” He added that ”our estimate of 800 civilians is likely to be too low.”

The situation within Fallujah is grim, he said. If help does not reach people soon, ”the children who are trapped will most likely die.”

He said the Ministry of Health in the U.S.-backed interim Iraqi government had stopped supplying hospitals and clinics in Fallujah two months before the current siege.

”The hospitals do not even have aspirin,” he said. ”This shows, in my opinion, that they've had a plan to attack for a long time and were trying to weaken the people.”



There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela
#25

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You can't spin the murder of 800+ civilians. How long before the insurgents start using the phrase "The Massacre of Falluja"?

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