Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

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Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 10:33am

A very interesting article on Ted Olson, the former Solicitor General for W. He is perhaps most well known for his commentator/wife dying on the plane that hit the Pentagon.

He provides some thought about the why conservatives should support gay marriage. An interesting read.
A Conservative Against Prop 8

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 10:49am

That's nice - but if Prop 8 is overturned then it can be put up for a vote the next year and this thing could be endless. It's time we stopped focusing time and money on marriage rights state by state and go after something federal. Now that will mean something.

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 10:52am

I think this is expected to go to the SCOTUS.

"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 10:59am

Exactly, they have challenged the law on federal grounds, arguing that it violates both the Fifth Amendment?s Due Process right as well as the Fourteenth Amendment?s Equal Protection Guarantee.

The whole point of the challenge was to get to the SCOTUS.

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 12:04pm

I wanted to convey the message that this was not Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal, that this is about human rights and human decency and constitutional law.

I can't tell you how weird it is to hear a Republican lawyer say the tings I wish a Democratic president would say.

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 12:25pm

^^^Especially when that president taught constitutional law.

"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 12:44pm

Think about it folks. A REPUBLICAN LAWYER, who once worked for G. W. Bush's administration, lobbying to bring Same Sex Marriage to a predominately Conservative Supreme Court.

How likely does that sound? Why would this happen, unless...

They know the fix is in, that if it goes to the Supreme Court that any kind of legal protection for same sex couples will be FINISHED.

Olsen: "This is about human rights and human decency and constitutional law."

HA! Since when have Republicans given a toss about Human Rights, Human Decency and Constitutional Law? Trust this guy at your peril.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/

Updated On: 8/3/09 at 12:44 PM

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 12:54pm

It must be exhausting being you.

Many "Goldwater" Republicans feel the way Olson does.

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 12:58pm

The exhaustion only comes because people continue to believe that any member of the Republican Party can be trusted in any way whatsoever. After 8 years of G.W. Bush and his Party Of Evil running this country into the ground, how can anyone of any sense trust a single solitary one of them?

#10

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 1:02pm

Every once in a while, Roscoe, it helps if you stop to breathe.

#11

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 1:05pm

Sorry, but I have come across friend and co-workers who are Republicans and were appalled by George Bush (and did not vote from him the second time) and are against Prop 8.

And, Olson is working with David Bois, a noted Democratically leaning attorney who represented Al Gore (against Olson) in Bush v. Gore. So yes, I do believe Olson's sincerity.

#12

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 2:07pm

It must be difficult going through life being such a negative person, Roscoe. Sheesh.

#13

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 2:20pm

Yeah, I get a bit overheated at times.

If it is negative to clearly see the ongoing evil of the Republican Party and its members who voted for George W. Bush and to take with a massive truckload of salt the pretense that those creatures have finally seen the error of their ways, well then, hell yeah, color me negative.

I'll take the vilest blackest darkest dankest negativity over the brightest sunniest gullibility of those who believe a word that issues out of the mouth of any Republican pretending to be even remotely socially progressive.

#14

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 4:28pm

Careful, Roscoe, or someday you might miss the miracle.

#15

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/3/09 at 11:01pm

They know the fix is in, that if it goes to the Supreme Court that any kind of legal protection for same sex couples will be FINISHED.

Yeah, because the Supreme Court never overturns its own precedent on the subject of individual liberties. Except when it totally does. (See also: The Court overturning its own flag-salute precedent three years after making it.)

#16

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/4/09 at 8:32am

Pal, when and if there's a miracle I promise I'll proclaim it loud and clear.

Plum, that's a very interesting bit of historical information there, thanks for sharing it. I'd say, though, that the whole "gay" aspect of this particular issue is so very loaded for so very many straight folks, our President included let's not forget, that all bets are off. I'm hoping for the best, of course, but when Republicans are in any way involved it is always best to expect the very worst that the human race can deliver.

#17

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/4/09 at 8:44am

It's important to remember that on the SCOTUS, Justice Kennedy is often the deciding vote in 5-4 decisions. For the most part, Kennedy is supportive of gay rights.

"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson

#18

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/4/09 at 9:00am

I think Olson wanting to add to his legacy is also a big factor.

But, hell, if he gets it done, I'll support building a monument for him.

Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson

#19

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/4/09 at 9:12am

"when Republicans are in any way involved it is always best to expect the very worst that the human race can deliver"

Seriously? Comments such as these come across as parody, at least to me.

#20

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/4/09 at 9:21am

"Comments such as these come across as parody, at least to me."

Yeah, well, there's a degree of exaggeration for comic effect, but not a whole lot. I find warnings about possibly missing a miracle to be a lot funnier.

#21

re: Ted Olson - Fighting to Overturn Prop 8

Posted: 8/4/09 at 3:58pm

Grumpy/Roscoe never apologizes for his intolerance and stubbornness.

"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it." -Stephen Colbert

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