The Vatican's Grotesque Approach to Homosexuality

[romantico]

Posted: 12/2/08 at 2:27pm

VaticanIt's not everyday that the Vatican is called "grotesque" by mainstream publications. But that's what one of Italy's largest newspapers, La Stampa, labeled the Vatican as the Pope's home tries to block a non-binding proposed UN resolution calling on governments worldwide to decriminalize homosexuality.

The Vatican issued a "slippery slope" argument for their opposition to this measure, saying that it could lead to same-sex marriages throughout the world. Apparently us gay folks are like nuclear weapons that way - you allow one country to have them, and then all of a sudden....

For the Vatican to oppose this measure is not only grotesque, it's the antithesis of Christ-like.

The measure simply calls on governments around the world to (1) stop throwing homosexuals in jail, or in extreme circumstances (2) stop executing them. The resolution has been signed by every country in the European Union, and France is due to submit the resolution to the UN on December 10 - the day that we'll mark the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

So instead of aligning themselves with the EU countries on this issue, the Vatican has chosen to line itself up with Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Burundi, Afghanistan, and Sudan and the nearly EIGHTY other countries that punish homosexuality with significant jail time or death. Way to go, Vatican. I think we can also appreciate the Vatican's complete lack of tact in issuing their statement of opposition on World AIDS Day 2008. The criminalization of homosexuality is one of the biggest impediments in fighting HIV/AIDS around the world.

And, to top it all off, the Vatican's opposition to this measure comes on the heels of an effort started in October to weed homosexual priests and seminary students out of the Church. The new Catholic policy, released by the Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education, reiterated that men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies were unworthy of ordination, and urged seminaries to enlist the aid of psychologists in screening candidates for homosexuality and other "psychic disturbances."

I think what's psychically disturbing is that a Church with a rich history of a Gospel rooted in social justice is throwing that out the window to focus on an issue that Jesus never once mentioned in the entire New Testament. Now that really is grotesque.

http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/the_vaticans_grotesque_approach_to_homosexuality

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 12/2/08 at 2:49pm

What do you do?

Work out all day, and then scour the internet for wrong doers?

[nexttoelectric]

Posted: 12/2/08 at 2:50pm

Work out all day, and then scour the internet for wrong doers?

You mean you dont?

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 12/2/08 at 2:51pm

Donters?

[romantico]

Posted: 12/2/08 at 4:36pm

I have a thing for those who don't think I am a first class citizen. If its not the Mormons, its the Catholic church.I want as many people there is out there to see who it is trying to push us back in the closet.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/2/08 at 4:38pm

am i the only one who read this thread title and thought something completely different? just me? ok, then.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 12/2/08 at 5:40pm

Yeah Papa, I was thinking along the lines of they cover themselves in babies blood and cow feces before performing.

[abominableerror]

Posted: 12/2/08 at 5:45pm

I cannot believe, for one second, that the Catholic Church wouldn't support measures that protected people, especially if their life is threatened.

I did a search and found this:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

"2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. "

[Jack King]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 12:07pm

This topic will polarize the US like no other topic in history, aside from the Civil War. But I don't see an end to this war, ever. I forsee marches on Washington like no other time, even the Snivel Rights battles that I am quite familiar with.

That ad in the NY Times is a harbinger.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 12:36pm

Snivel rights?

[Jack King]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 12:50pm

Yes. :) It was a great cause, augmented by snivelling protestors. :) The late, very great cartoonist Al Capp said it best when he alluded to the SWINE, Students Wildly Indignant About Nearly Everything. :))))

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 12:56pm

K. Updated On: 12/3/08 at 12:56 PM

[WOSQ]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 4:37pm

Odd how the Vatican has not begun to deal with priests who have had sexual relations with women and underage girls. These too are legion.

If all the gay men left the Catholic priesthood or we all forced to leave, the Catholic church would implode and the Powers-That-Be all know it.

This is an organization that admits publically that a quarter of all its priests are gay and another quarter of varying orientations are sexually active.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 4:47pm

of course, as with the Mormon Church the Church of Rome will scrream BLODDY MURDER if we call them out....seems it's ok to bash us, but not ok to bash them......dang hypocrites the lot of them

[Jack King]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 6:10pm

I suggest a Bash-0-Thon between two teams comprised of the strongest folks on both sides. Make it a fight to the finish in a huge stadium. The winning team would get all the admission proceeds. Televise it over the internet and the winning bid of the cable companies. No monies would be paid the cable company. They'd make their buck$ over the commercials.

That would settle this for once and for all.

I have other brilliant ideas that I'll share from time to time. Otherwise and until then, I remain--

jk

[tazber]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 6:13pm

just kidding?

[Jack King]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 6:21pm

Want to buy a ticket?

I'm just angry and bored by the whole thing. It WILL come to warfare. Neither side will give. There is no negotiation in this fight to the finish.

Think about it. There will be no winners. However the entire right wing religious bodies vastly outnumber any sexual deviants. What might happen? I wouldn't be surprised if there were another Crusade.

TO LIFE!

jk

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 6:50pm

Oh, this is all being blown out of proportion. Dollypop is Catholic and his parish LOVES him. He is known as the Holy Gay One. So stop spreading rumors.

However, if this did happen to be true, what about all the lezzie NUNS?

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 7:09pm

Who the hell is Jack Kling and who was he before?

[Jack King]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 7:40pm

Go eat your Karm-el apple. :) There ain't no other Jack, Karma. Why do you ask? Haben ze nicht to do?

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 7:50pm

Sock puppet.

[Jack King]

Posted: 12/3/08 at 9:03pm

Ah! A troll disguised as a Karm-el Apple by the Sea. You "sock" all right. heh!

You wannabe in one of our movies? We're moviemaking again in March 09 in NYC, fiddle-dee-dee. :)

[Jack King]

Posted: 12/6/08 at 3:46am

Don't be odd.
Get with God.

[NYadgal]

Posted: 12/6/08 at 8:01am

Oh, shut up!