Thoughts on A SINGLE MAN with Colin Firth and Julianne Moore
#2
Posted: 11/28/09 at 10:37pm
I can't WAIT to see this! And honestly, MB, having such a glowing review from you only makes my anticipation greater
#3
Posted: 11/28/09 at 11:19pm
This is so anal of me, but it's *A* Single Man, not THE. Makes quite a different.
This novel means SOOO much to me--It's definitely in my top three books and I think it's a modern American classic, the best thing Isherwood wrote (yes better than his Berlin stories that inspired Cabaret). So I've been watching the movie with some trepidation... I'm not a Tom Ford fan (he's always seemed too hung up on superficial matters to get the most out of the book thought I know he's said he's been obsessed with it for some time) but I think I may have come around--the reviews and trailers are largely wonderful.
However I do wonder about the added framework of a potential suicide--not in the book. I also think Hoult is WAY too pretty for a character who's meant to be "almost beautiful" except for a large nose that gives him a goofy appearance (Jamie Bell ws meant to do the role but apparently just never showed up for work). And Julianne Moore and her outfits and her house are WAY WAY WAY too fabulous for a frumpy, "letting herself go" fag hag. But this is Ford--of course he wouldn't keep some of the less physcially gorgeous aspects of the novel and I can get past that. Despite my worries I'm very very excited to see it.
This novel means SOOO much to me--It's definitely in my top three books and I think it's a modern American classic, the best thing Isherwood wrote (yes better than his Berlin stories that inspired Cabaret). So I've been watching the movie with some trepidation... I'm not a Tom Ford fan (he's always seemed too hung up on superficial matters to get the most out of the book thought I know he's said he's been obsessed with it for some time) but I think I may have come around--the reviews and trailers are largely wonderful.
However I do wonder about the added framework of a potential suicide--not in the book. I also think Hoult is WAY too pretty for a character who's meant to be "almost beautiful" except for a large nose that gives him a goofy appearance (Jamie Bell ws meant to do the role but apparently just never showed up for work). And Julianne Moore and her outfits and her house are WAY WAY WAY too fabulous for a frumpy, "letting herself go" fag hag. But this is Ford--of course he wouldn't keep some of the less physcially gorgeous aspects of the novel and I can get past that. Despite my worries I'm very very excited to see it.
#4
Posted: 11/28/09 at 11:25pm
Thanks for the correction Eric. The things you mention being concerned with are changes that are beautifully handled that make the book work as a movie. I've read the book too and frankly wondered how they would ever make it work as a compelling film. Yes, Hollywood license has been taken in the casting (but isn't it always the case that we get actors too pretty for the roles as described in the book?).
But this really is an ideal screenplay example of how to honor the story and tone of the original novel and yet open it up successfully to work in the medium of film.
But this really is an ideal screenplay example of how to honor the story and tone of the original novel and yet open it up successfully to work in the medium of film.
#5
Posted: 11/28/09 at 11:29pm
Speaking of anal, I think it makes quite a 'difference', not 'different'.
#6
Posted: 11/29/09 at 12:15am
HAHA of course but my typos are so bad, you shouldn't expect them to be better after a few glasses of wine :P
MB your words on the changes do make me worry less. The book just means SOO much to me, I guess, that I'm worried, but honestly less worried than I expected to be when I heard about this a year back. the fact you liked it so much helps a lot
MB your words on the changes do make me worry less. The book just means SOO much to me, I guess, that I'm worried, but honestly less worried than I expected to be when I heard about this a year back. the fact you liked it so much helps a lot
#7
Posted: 11/29/09 at 12:33am
I hope you know I'm just joshin'!
The press on this really has been wonderful.
The press on this really has been wonderful.
#8
Posted: 11/29/09 at 1:22am
I've been waiting for this quite a while. Going to a screening next weekend with a Q&A. I could've gone tonight, but I think I'm enjoying anticipating it (and was a bit busy). I've read so many good things about it. It's about time Colin Firth got some serious recognition.
#9
Posted: 11/29/09 at 1:24am
I think Colin has had overtures from the media in the past, but he's never courted their advances.
#10
Posted: 11/29/09 at 3:16am
HAHA no worries, I'm still feeling this site out a bit
#11
Posted: 11/29/09 at 3:04pm
Q - I think Colin has had overtures from the media in the past, but he's never courted their advances.
Really? In connection with what film? (although I'd agree with the second part)
I've seen the A Single Man and thought it extremely well done, even with the liberties Ford took with the novel. From what I've read, Ford didn't think the film should have book's ambiguous ending. Some lit-crit points out Isherwood's use of the conditional in the final paragraphs.
However, I did feel it was distractingly stylized quite often. Arty for the sake of artiness. I felt beaten over the head with bat everytime you had a closeup of eyes.
Really? In connection with what film? (although I'd agree with the second part)
I've seen the A Single Man and thought it extremely well done, even with the liberties Ford took with the novel. From what I've read, Ford didn't think the film should have book's ambiguous ending. Some lit-crit points out Isherwood's use of the conditional in the final paragraphs.
However, I did feel it was distractingly stylized quite often. Arty for the sake of artiness. I felt beaten over the head with bat everytime you had a closeup of eyes.
#12
Posted: 11/29/09 at 3:22pm
Mad - as far back as his beginning, in films like ANOTHER COUNTRY and APARTMENT ZERO, up to things relatively recent like GIRL WITH A PEARL EARRING.
#13
Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:48pm
I don't think the book is very ambiguous in the ending. Its pretty obvious what happens...
#14
Posted: 11/30/09 at 12:24am
From Christopher Isherwood: Getting Things Right (pp39-56)
by Thom Gunn (in Hiding in Plain Sight: Essays in Criticism and Autobiography)
In the last of these he goes on to present a hypothesis: “Just let us suppose, however...” What if George dies in his sleep? Again he disclaims responsibility; we are free to “suppose” that George does or George doesn’t, but since the hypothesis (like the analogy earlier) has been suggested, it is there on the page, and brings home to us with all the more force that it be not now, yet it will come.
The death is described in the original scientific tone:
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I just happened to have this around and there is an entire school of thought supporting the idea that George does not die. Just sayin'... Anyway, Tom Ford himself made the comment that he needed to take the ambiguity out of the ending. When I have a bit more time, I could go find that interview.
(When I first read it, I thought he died as well...still do.)
by Thom Gunn (in Hiding in Plain Sight: Essays in Criticism and Autobiography)
In the last of these he goes on to present a hypothesis: “Just let us suppose, however...” What if George dies in his sleep? Again he disclaims responsibility; we are free to “suppose” that George does or George doesn’t, but since the hypothesis (like the analogy earlier) has been suggested, it is there on the page, and brings home to us with all the more force that it be not now, yet it will come.
The death is described in the original scientific tone:
Throttled out of its oxygen, the heart clenches and stops. The lungs go dead, their power line cut. All over the body, the arteries contract.Bit by bit we watch the body close down.
And if some part of the nonentity we called George has indeed been absent at this moment of terminal shock, away out there on the deep waters, then it will return to find itself homeless. For it can associate no longer with what lies here, unsnoring, on the bed. This is now cousin to the garbage in the container on the back porch. Both will have to be carried away and disposed of, before too long.These are the last words of the book, fierce, factual, and yet speculative.
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I just happened to have this around and there is an entire school of thought supporting the idea that George does not die. Just sayin'... Anyway, Tom Ford himself made the comment that he needed to take the ambiguity out of the ending. When I have a bit more time, I could go find that interview.
(When I first read it, I thought he died as well...still do.)
#15
Posted: 11/30/09 at 1:21am
How was Matthew Goode and Nicholas Hoult
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#16
Posted: 11/30/09 at 1:54am
Now madophelia, you can't really quote passages from the novella like that and then complain about Tom Ford's excessive visualization of it. The book is virtually all descriptive - excessively so at parts. I think the brilliance of Ford's direction is how he was able to translate that verbal poetry into visual pictures. At any rate, you can't film the ending passage as written - its completely aesthetic - some decision had to be made for the sake of story telling.
Matthew Goode is effectively charming, and likeable and works well with Firth. Nicholas Hoult is excellent - and Eric, even though he isn't quite what he's described in the book, he has a goofy quality that keeps him from being a conventional beauty (and thus preventing this from becoming a sort of remounting of DEATH IN VENICE).
One of my favorite scenes in the film actually is a new one written for the movie and not in the novel and that is the scene between Firth and the hustler at the liquor store.
Matthew Goode is effectively charming, and likeable and works well with Firth. Nicholas Hoult is excellent - and Eric, even though he isn't quite what he's described in the book, he has a goofy quality that keeps him from being a conventional beauty (and thus preventing this from becoming a sort of remounting of DEATH IN VENICE).
One of my favorite scenes in the film actually is a new one written for the movie and not in the novel and that is the scene between Firth and the hustler at the liquor store.
#17
Posted: 11/30/09 at 3:36am
I am very excited to see this. I'm not familiar with the story at all, but the cast is a group of top notch actors.
What did you think of Lee Pace's performance?
What did you think of Lee Pace's performance?
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#18
Posted: 11/30/09 at 5:16am
Thanks for the review, MichaelBennett. As always, I like to ask about the award prospect of the movie. Would you say Firth is likely to take home the Oscar in 2010? Jeff Bridges seems to be his biggest competition at the moment.
I imagine Julianne Moore will get nominated as well, it seems to be quite a crowded category for supporting actresses, especially with movies with such strong female ensembles out.
I imagine Julianne Moore will get nominated as well, it seems to be quite a crowded category for supporting actresses, especially with movies with such strong female ensembles out.
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#19
Posted: 11/30/09 at 5:51am
I don't find the book's ending ambiguous
SPOILER FOR BOOK
But I always thought IMHO it was quite clear he didn't die, that's why the ending is written in the conditional (or whatever "let us suppose..."). Otherwise Isherwood could have just written it straight out. But I have read it described as ambiguous before so...
So there's a new scene in a liquor store? I suppose the mention of hustlers on the street could lead to that. I'm curious why Ford had the Huxley novel discussed changed... lol
MB glad to hear about Hoult--I really like Hoult (loved him in Skins) it's just I find him strikingly beautiful and the shots of him they had in the trailer did look to be the same, which isn't really in keeping with the description in the novel at all (whereas it would make sense to have , for instance, the two random tennis players look like fashion model spreads come to life)
SPOILER FOR BOOK
But I always thought IMHO it was quite clear he didn't die, that's why the ending is written in the conditional (or whatever "let us suppose..."). Otherwise Isherwood could have just written it straight out. But I have read it described as ambiguous before so...
So there's a new scene in a liquor store? I suppose the mention of hustlers on the street could lead to that. I'm curious why Ford had the Huxley novel discussed changed... lol
MB glad to hear about Hoult--I really like Hoult (loved him in Skins) it's just I find him strikingly beautiful and the shots of him they had in the trailer did look to be the same, which isn't really in keeping with the description in the novel at all (whereas it would make sense to have , for instance, the two random tennis players look like fashion model spreads come to life)
#20
Posted: 11/30/09 at 11:56am
No, I think Ford was careful in his casting. The men are attractive without looking like they stepped from a fashion spread.
And (SPOILER) I always took the novel to infer that he did die. The whole taking the body out with the garbage description inferred that to me anyway.
RAY - I think Firth will get nominated. I don't think he will win. Its a small film, with very overt homosexuality. Firth also won't have the sentimentality behind him that someone like Jeff Bridges doing a career best performance will have.
Julianne Moore's role is small but showy. If enough people see the film (or even the trailer which shows the truth behind her performance which makes it so great), I think she could get a nomination.
And (SPOILER) I always took the novel to infer that he did die. The whole taking the body out with the garbage description inferred that to me anyway.
RAY - I think Firth will get nominated. I don't think he will win. Its a small film, with very overt homosexuality. Firth also won't have the sentimentality behind him that someone like Jeff Bridges doing a career best performance will have.
Julianne Moore's role is small but showy. If enough people see the film (or even the trailer which shows the truth behind her performance which makes it so great), I think she could get a nomination.
#21
Posted: 11/30/09 at 11:59am
Firth also won't have the sentimentality behind him that someone like Jeff Bridges doing a career best performance will have.
Thanks, MichaelBennett. Is Jeff Bridges that good in CRAZY HEART though? The trailer makes it seem like a country version of THE WRESTLER.
I can't wait to see this film. The trailer makes it look so visually stunning, nice to see that it's not only beautiful to look at but that it also has a nice content.
Thanks, MichaelBennett. Is Jeff Bridges that good in CRAZY HEART though? The trailer makes it seem like a country version of THE WRESTLER.
I can't wait to see this film. The trailer makes it look so visually stunning, nice to see that it's not only beautiful to look at but that it also has a nice content.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#22
Posted: 11/30/09 at 6:03pm
MichaelBennett - What do you mean I can't quote passages and then complain? I have a clause in my contract to ensure my ability to do that.
A world without complaining is a world not worth living in.
But getting back to this point of moderate contention. It was Ford's choice to take the ambiguity out of the storyline and introduce the often-hilarious suicide angle. There are numerous examples in both film and television (Sopranos anyone or even A Serious Man currently in release) where you are left hanging. Is it annoying not knowing, sure. But you deal with it.
As for Ford translating the poetry of the ending, he is highly effective with his water images from beginning to end. The water/rock pool metaphor being the final paragraphs of the book.
However, I'm sure you know that the hustler was played by the face of Tom Ford glasses: Jon Kortajarena. It has been awhile since I saw the movie, but I don't think there are any average looking people in it. They're all pretty...pretty or handsome. Tom Ford couldn't even cast the voice on the telephone in an average way. The voice is Jon Hamm's.
The parking lot hustler scene was gorgeous--as are many scenes-- and one can easily imagine an entire photoshoot along those lines.
But I did find another bit of lit-crit, which I can type up later, about the ending if you're interested.
But getting back to this point of moderate contention. It was Ford's choice to take the ambiguity out of the storyline and introduce the often-hilarious suicide angle. There are numerous examples in both film and television (Sopranos anyone or even A Serious Man currently in release) where you are left hanging. Is it annoying not knowing, sure. But you deal with it.
As for Ford translating the poetry of the ending, he is highly effective with his water images from beginning to end. The water/rock pool metaphor being the final paragraphs of the book.
However, I'm sure you know that the hustler was played by the face of Tom Ford glasses: Jon Kortajarena. It has been awhile since I saw the movie, but I don't think there are any average looking people in it. They're all pretty...pretty or handsome. Tom Ford couldn't even cast the voice on the telephone in an average way. The voice is Jon Hamm's.
The parking lot hustler scene was gorgeous--as are many scenes-- and one can easily imagine an entire photoshoot along those lines.
But I did find another bit of lit-crit, which I can type up later, about the ending if you're interested.
#23
Posted: 12/1/09 at 3:06am
"No, I think Ford was careful in his casting. The men are attractive without looking like they stepped from a fashion spread.
And (SPOILER) I always took the novel to infer that he did die. The whole taking the body out with the garbage description inferred that to me anyway."
re-reading it I think it certainly is open to interpretation, so I suppose I have to rethink my comment about not finding the ending ambiguous. Still I think the fact that it is suddenly written that way means it's up for decision--why would the opening (which similarly describes George's body functions as mechanical) be written in the definite and the whole ending written as just a possibility? I think it merely was a way to effectively end the novel better than just returning him to sleep.
I'm not sure I believe you that the men don't look like they came from a fashion spread though
I do hope the film re-acquaints many with the book. By rights it should be a modern American classic, but it's never really been as well known as it should.
And (SPOILER) I always took the novel to infer that he did die. The whole taking the body out with the garbage description inferred that to me anyway."
re-reading it I think it certainly is open to interpretation, so I suppose I have to rethink my comment about not finding the ending ambiguous. Still I think the fact that it is suddenly written that way means it's up for decision--why would the opening (which similarly describes George's body functions as mechanical) be written in the definite and the whole ending written as just a possibility? I think it merely was a way to effectively end the novel better than just returning him to sleep.
I'm not sure I believe you that the men don't look like they came from a fashion spread though
I do hope the film re-acquaints many with the book. By rights it should be a modern American classic, but it's never really been as well known as it should.
#24
Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:00am
#25
Posted: 12/12/09 at 3:50pm
Such a beautiful film. What a performance by Colin Firth (which is no surprise). I loved both Julianne Moore and Matthew Goode and though neither were in it a significant amount of time, their scenes really stuck with me.
I wasn't happy with the ending, but that's just me I'm sure.
I actually liked Nicholas Hoult a lot more than I thought I would, though I've not seen him in anything since About A Boy, so I wasn't sure what to expect either. Lee Pace was in a basically blink and you'll miss it role.
Really loved that scene with the hustler. I found it mesmorizing in a number of ways.
I'm seeing Crazy Heart tomorrow, so I'm looking forward to comparing potential award contenders. I do agree with Michael Bennett's reasoning though that if Jeff Bridges is as good as I've read, he would have the edge for winning.
Though I'm one who thought (and hoped) Mickey Rourke would pull out an Oscar win last year.
I wasn't happy with the ending, but that's just me I'm sure.
I actually liked Nicholas Hoult a lot more than I thought I would, though I've not seen him in anything since About A Boy, so I wasn't sure what to expect either. Lee Pace was in a basically blink and you'll miss it role.
Really loved that scene with the hustler. I found it mesmorizing in a number of ways.
I'm seeing Crazy Heart tomorrow, so I'm looking forward to comparing potential award contenders. I do agree with Michael Bennett's reasoning though that if Jeff Bridges is as good as I've read, he would have the edge for winning.
Though I'm one who thought (and hoped) Mickey Rourke would pull out an Oscar win last year.
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