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Unisex Draft...Coming in June 2005?

Looks like the draft is going to be making a comeback sooner rather than later. There is a proposal for a draft that is creeping quietly forward while the election takes place. And this is not the draft of the Vietnam era, either. Men and women, ages 18 thru 26, will be the first to go. Think about who this means...this isn’t “other” people...we are talking about posters like NewYorkUniq, Daisy Hilton, PrincessMimiChica, Vicious Circle, and countless other people on this board. (This might be the one instance where anti-gay policies work in someone’s favor....) We are talking about my own daughter. And read the bill...this time around there will be no educational deferments and no escaping to Canada. The truly privileged...the George Bushes of the world... will still find a way out, but there is a lot of war still to be fought along the course we are currently on, and not a lot of people to send, barring a draft. It really is time to pay close attention to what is happening.

Here is the information that was forwarded to me:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm
There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which call for mandatory drafting for boys and girls (age 18-26) starting June 15 2005. It will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections. Details and links follow. Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight.

Please write to your representatives to ask them why they are not
telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask why they are not covering this important story. $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system (sss) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation.

See http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004. The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp
Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.



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Updated On: 9/15/04 at 03:03 PM

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re: Unisex Draft...Coming in May 2005?

if men have to do it, it is blatantly sexist for women to not have to register, too.

Equality is essential.

And, the draft will not be used...probably ever again, so this is a symbolic step to qualify women as strong enough to go to war, too. Of course, this sissy won't be going to war anytime soon. I'll be sending in the objector letters instead.
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Updated On: 9/15/04 at 03:05 PM

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Thank God in 30 days I'll be a 26 year old fag.
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now flit, didja notice who the sponsors were on the bills? charlie rangel and fritz hollings. are they republicans? supporters of the bush administration?
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re: Unisex Draft...Coming in May 2005?

My argument is not about whether both men and women should be drafted...it was more a wake up call to the young women around, to realize that the draft is not a vague notion... it will apply to them.

And as for the draft never happening again? You're kidding, right? If the war in Iraq goes on for another five to ten years and becomes even more unpopular, and when we take the "war on terrorism" into other countries (Iran, perhaps?), where do you think the soldiers are going to come from? Yep. The draft will be back. Soon. These bills are NOT a symbolic gesture.
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matt,


you're a young one. i just turned 26 on sunday. you know, 26 makes you closer to 30 than 20.
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Why don't we take steps to remove Bush as an option? I'll be 18 in May so I'm reeeaaaaalllly pissed. Although I agree that it should be unisex I think that this is ridiculous. Are you still exempt if you go to college? Because there is no chance in hell that I'm going to war. ESPECIALLY not this one.
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Mattio - the original post on this thread has a pretty good overview - and links to more detailed analysis. Apparently, the college 'out' has been severly curtailed, as well.
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I just wanted to bump this up to the top again and see if I could possibly make a point that would get through to some people reading this.

It's not an issue of equality, men vs women, etc. It's an issue of forcing young Americans into war whether or not they support the war.

Saying, "I'll just run to Canada" may not be an option. Firstly, that may be made impossible. Canada may support the US and not harbor it's objectors. Also, allowing something to happen without attempting to take action in the belief that you can just run away is ridiculous> Speaking out, writing letters as Iflit suggested and VOTING are much better solutions than trying to run away from an issue.

Please undertsand that should you actually get to Canada, you may never be able to come back. Easy to say now "Who cares, I don't want to be in the US anyway." However, things change over years. What you say now may not be what you say ten years from
now. Anyway, in this situation it looks like you might be in Canada not as a welcome guest objecting to an immoral war but as a fugitive. It could get cold and lonely living in the Canadian wilderness, kiling and eating your own moose while you look over your shoulder for the autrhorities.

Sending an objector letter doesn't really mean S%#t to the government when they want to institute a draft.

Being gay isn't necessarily a way out. The military makes exceptions when it suits them.

The idea that the draft could never be used again is outrageous. Where would anyone get the idea that it couldn't?

The answer here is take these bills seriously, put aside any fantasies of running away to a better country or being excused because you are female or a gay man and start to do something proactive.


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Great points, Orion. This really makes me sick. Believe me if this happens the faces you see on the news of the fallen will be your Brothers and Sisters, Aunts, Uncles, Sons, Daughters and,yes, even LOVERS. No one will be unaffected by this.
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orion,

I have, for a number of years, worked with a few organizations that are committed to gender equality (all of these organizations are decidedly anti-war). All of them have encouraged the gender laws to break down with regards to the draft.

1- you can register as a conscienscious objector. You can't do that until the draft begins, and I contend that...

2-the draft will not begin. Nearly every leader placed in power in America since the draft was last enstated has been questioned on the draft and has never even called it a last resort...it is just no a possibility.

3-Equality of sex/gender is accompanied with responsibility. How is it fair to make men register, but not women. It sends the signal that women cannot handle war and need to be home while men can handle war and should go fight. That notion is wrong.

4- You are right to say anything could happen, though. This is always true. Nader could get elected...and there would be no war. People could write in Alan Keyes and he could win and then we wouldn't have to worry about the gays ever again. ANYTHING could happen. All I'm saying is the best way to predict the future is to looka t the past. The past shows we will not be using the draft again...especially not in the near future.
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If we want to fight for our country, we join the army. This really pisses me off. Ever since I was young, during Desert Storm, I would worry and worry about the draft coming back. I do not want to ruin my dreams that I am working so hard to achieve. This really pisses the hell out of me.
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re: Unisex Draft...Coming in May 2005?

"you can register as a conscienscious objector. You can't do that until the draft begins, and I contend that"

That doesn't keep you from being draftinmg if they want you.

"I have, for a number of years, worked with a few organizations that are committed to gender equality (all of these organizations are decidedly anti-war). All of them have encouraged the gender laws to break down with regards to the draft."

Again, I have to point out that this has nothing to do with gender. A draft is something that nobody should want or support regardless of the draftees genders

"Nader could get elected...and there would be no war. People could write in Alan Keyes and he could win and then we wouldn't have to worry about the gays ever again. ANYTHING could happen."

Only if people vote and make themselves responsible for the possibility of change. That's the main point I was trying to make. If you say, this can't be serious or I'll run away to Canada, you're not taking responsibilty to make change happen. You're closing your eyes, allowing something to happen then trying to run away from it.


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touchme - it is of course valuable to look to the past for guidance (although, it isn't necessarily a human stong suit to learn from history) but your analysis isn't taking into consideration that many feel that things are vastly different now due to 9/11. There are many who perhaps would have never envisioned their support of a draft, but who now feel it may be justified.
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It is my biggest fear to be drafted in the army because Im too pretty for that! hahah just kidding re: Unisex Draft...Coming in May 2005? i know id be defending the USA, but i am scared to death when im in a presense of a gun (real or fake) haha. I will rely on my flat feet to get me outa it. re: Unisex Draft...Coming in May 2005?
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This scares me. I am only turning 16 next month, but still it really isn't that far off until I am of the age to be drafted. I hate the idea of being force into the armed forces rather than going to college. I reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hope it doesn't come to this.
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re: Unisex Draft...Coming in May 2005?

your problem then is not with opening the draft to require women to register, but with USING the draft.

I am saying b/c I dont believe it will get used, we can use it as a way to creat gender equality.

Also, yes, they can draft you as a C obj. But, you will not be part of the physical fighting.

Make sense?
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re: Unisex Draft...Coming in May 2005?

touchme: The idea of women in the military is a relatively new one and it was thought that, not only did it present problems with men and women being together and distracted from the fight (they didn't even THINK about gays at that point) but also that they felt women weren't strong enough physically to handle the work required (just carrying the packs was a concern). Now that women are in the military, I still wonder if they would be included in the draft, but then I DOUBT there will be a draft...there is no war in which the U.S. is engaged and the draft was always used when we NEEDED troops in an engaged war...not in military actions or peace keeping initiatives.

After the disaster in Vietnam and the disbanding of the draft, if they start it again, woe to the administration that signs the bill...they will definitely be out on their butts.

I'm not saying to be complacent and I hate that we find out every day about these nasty little secrets being advanced without our knowing when in fact these people are supposed to represent the will of the people...but I just don't think it will happen. They may be playing with it, but in the end who is going to want to step forward and announce this to the public?

I have two sons would be eligible...and if this happens and they choose to register as a conscientious objector...I would be behind them all the way. It's one thing to defend your country in a necessary war, it's another to provide young bodies to be sacrificed at the alter of egomaniacs in office.
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Draft for both men and women? A str8 female in the military? That would really make for a change.
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papa brought up the fact that Charlie Rangel is one of the sponsors of the bill...I tried to reply this afternoon but wasn't able to access this site.

I'm aware of who the sponsors are... and my explanation for that is that Rangel is interested in making sure that a equitable system is in place that will not allow a draft to evolve again that would permit the fighting ranks to be populated with the "underprivileged" or undereducated. I agree with the theory that if there is a draft, everyone should be tapped equally...men, women, rich, poor. My problem here is that I am vehemently opposed to the war in Iraq. It is turning out to be every bit the fiasco I knew it would become. I therefore oppose a draft the draft on basic principle.
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This scares me. Scares me terribly.
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samiam,

i agree 100%. that's my point exactly.
"Fundamentalism means never having to say 'I'm wrong.'" -- unknown
#25

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"and if this happens and they choose to register as a conscientious objector"

What does registering mean, exactly?
"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."

The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.

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