Skip to main content
Shop Merch Add a Show Listing
My Shows
News on your favorite shows, specials & more!
#26

an eye for an eye

the quotation marks don't to much to boost confidence. then again they aren't supposed to.

this whole thing makes me very angry as well. the worst thing is that i cannot help but to feel ignorant about the entire situation, like i can never really know what is going on, even if i read all about the war and george bush's politics, as well as kerry's. so how am i supposed to make a resonable desision in november? maybe im just overwhelmed because ive never gotten to vote before, but all the same, do any of you (who seem to be very confident in your own politics) ever feel this way?
#27

an eye for an eye

Nystate,
I sympathise with you. So gladd to hear someone taking it so seriously and putting thought into it. Let me ask you.. wouldn't you agree it is definitely time for a change?
HUSSY POWER! ------ HUSSY POWER!
#28

an eye for an eye

Everyone is to blame, our government, their government. GW is just finishing his daddy's war like a good little boy should. We shouldn't even be in Iraq, we helped Sadam into power. Most noteably it's also the fault of religion and their religious leaders. Using propaganda to make their people believe that terror is a way of justifying their religion.

But you can't totally blame the people their doing what their told. People that we kill also have families just like people we kill. All were doing is perpetuating the cycle with our own nationalism and imperialism.
#29

an eye for an eye

I agree. But even more it proofs that we have to get rid of this entire administration.
HUSSY POWER! ------ HUSSY POWER!
#30

an eye for an eye

I agree wholeheartedly but Kerry is so conservitive, one wonders if he is any better, but then again anyone is better than bush comes to mind
#31

an eye for an eye

perhaps, bound, we can get together with al qaeda and sing some hapy songs. that way they'd see we really like them. and then they will really like us. or maybe we can just pull our troops out of the persian gulf completely and just abdicate any responsibility, leaving the world's oil reserves to the whims of folks who send their children out dressed in semtex. wait, why don't we just wipe out israel ourselves, you know that'd really make the fanatics happy and then i bet they wouln't bother us at all anymore. see, it's just because we don't understand each other. maybe if we let them kill enough americans, they'll eventualy get tired of it and see the senselessness of violence. then we can all embrace like the huge multi-national family that we are and have a good cry together.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#32

an eye for an eye

Why don't we make a ring of nuclear radiation around China? Hell, why not the middle east, or how bout everything except Europe and the US? We had no right to go interfere in the first place. In the world of politics the best defense is not a strong offense. War should only be a last resort, by doing what were doing we're reinforcing their beliefs about us.
#33

an eye for an eye

just out of curiosity, when would war be a prudent response, bound?

their beliefs about us? these are people that believe that if they blow themselves up and take enough americans or jew or just general nondescript "infidels" with them, that they are guaranteed a place in paradise with 72 virgins to serve them. they believe that women who go outside without their husbands can be stoned for doing so. they belive in hacking off the limb that is used to commit a sin (which would leave a lot of folks around here sounding like mickey freakin' mouse because homosexuality is not tolerated). who said anything about china? and as far as the middle east as big glass bowl scenario, as tantalizing as that option might be, until hydrogen based fuel cell engines are affordable and have replaced the venerable internal combustion method, it's frustratingly unattainable.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

Updated On: 6/19/04 at 06:32 PM

#34

an eye for an eye

a lunatic who would ahve been overthrown? they had 35 years to overthrow him and they didn't do so good. and the 10,000 dead after the last coup attempt stood as a reminder to others that it wasn't a safe bet. plus there's that little matter of him gassing the kurds, who wants to wake up dead?

contrary to what the news shows are spouting with increasing regularity, the 9/11 commission did not rule out ties between saddam and al qaeda. they merely found no credible evidence that saddam was directly involved in 9/11. read that again. the 9/11 commission found no credible evidence that saddam was directly involved in 9/11. they didn't say, there were no ties between saddam and al qaeda, simply that saddam wasn't in on 9/11. now, given that al qaeda declared war on the united states in an illegitimate fatwa issued by osama bin laden, ties between them not related to 9/11 tie hussein directly to a group that has declared war on the united states. although, the media seems to like to leave out that bit that the 9/11 commission was only investigating saddam's connection to 9/11. one could further argue that the term "credible evidence" leaves the matter open to debate as evidence exists tying the mohammed atta to saddam, but in the eyes of the commission, it's not "credible." add to that, vladimir putin's recent admission that russia warned the united states on numerous occasions after 9/11 and before the war in iraq that they knew of attempts by saddam to sponsor terrorist operations against the untied states domestically and abroad. now, vlad putin was gainst the war in iraq and still says that's not changed. so when he says there were ties between saddam and terrorism, it's not like it's a fan of bush looking to help him.

with regard to there being no weapons of mass destruction, it's funny to me to listen to folks who screamed bloody blue murder about us not being able to prevent 9/11 saying in the same breath that saddam, who the world, the un and everybody but noam chomsky thought had wmds until we went in, should have been left alone as containment would work. containment worked real good in north korea didn't it? or didn't ya hear they are a nuclear power now and are chomping at the bit to sell them to the highest bidder. yep, chalk that one up as a victory for kerry's pet project: treaties.

i have no qualms about spending on fuel cells and i think that the automotive industry ought to be dragged kicking and screaming into higher mileage requirements and there ought to be a gas tax. but, islamic extremists want to drag the world back into the dark ages and like it or not the only ones suiting up to fight for civilization seem to be the cowboy americans. this is not about a few bent feelings, this is about a clash of cultures: one intent on forcing a world dominated by an intolerant theocracy and one intent on spreading freedom and opportunity. unfortunately, we can't do that by sitting here and hoping nothing bad happens.

since al qaeda declared war on us in 1998, i'd be interested to hear what you think our response to them should be? do you think the afghan people are better off now or under taliban rule?
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

Updated On: 6/19/04 at 07:33 PM

#35

an eye for an eye

The problem with spreading "freedom and democracy" is that we're really spreading the opportunity for already-filthy-rich American companies to make even more money in the name of freedom.
I'm all for spreading the freedom. but, seriously, come on. How many wars do we have to wage simultaneously? I might have been all for invading Iraq, ousting Hussein and creating some form of people-led government if we hadn't done such a craptastic, half-assed job in Afghanistan. My biggest problem with all of this was that Bush and Co. were so gung-ho about heading into Iraq that we never even bothered to get Afghanistan on its feet and operating before our ADD pushed us into another country.
#36

an eye for an eye

Ok so were gonna fix the middle east no matter how many innocents WE kill, but thats ok isn't it? If WE kill the infidels? It's a Holy War in a new age, no different than the crusades, but instead of going to get the cross or grail like they did, were going for somthing more valuable. Oil. Now what about Korea, we were confronted by Migs not to long ago, why don't we go in there and fix that. Becasue, the moment we mess with Korea, we mess with China we get blasted back into caveman days. We never fixed Korea, never fixed Vietnam, there just wars that got out of hand so we left. Are we going to see Iraq though like we did Afganistan? Or will somthing else come along that we need to fix?
#37

an eye for an eye

nah, afghanistan was just to wipe out the taliban. it's been a tribal society of freakin' nomads since time began and no one's gonna drag it into the 21st century anytime soon. iraq on the other hand was ready. it's a much more developed society, the kurdish north is a thriving autonomous society based on us no-fly zones that allowed it to grow for ten years beyond the reach of saddam. afghanistan was never going to be the model, it couldn't. nope, iraq was where the marbles were bet because if they can manage it, shia sunni and kurds in a loose federal system with reasonable responsibilities to their people, and without resorting to letting the mullahs dictate to them, then iran will follow suit. hell, the clerics there are only holding on at this point by sheer terror tactics, brutally repressing student uprisings that never get any play in west. we had to take a shot now or lose the whole middle east to wahhabism. hell, in saudi arabia 95% of the people between 18-40 support osama bin laden. and those are our "friends."

iraq dos two things:
1. it buys us time maybe to jumpstart the next industrial revolution (hydrogen based power) by giving the iraqi people the chance to choose their own destiny. and don't say the had that chance before because while saddam was in power speaking ill of him got your tongue cut out. hell, his son executed members of the iraqi soccer tam for losing. these are not well folks.
2. it shows the fanatics that america will not run home if you bloody its nose anymore. in a region where the only thing respected is power, we were too long looking like weak kneed vacillators.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#38

an eye for an eye

dude, china has less patience for north korea than we do. if we decided tomorrow to march into korea, the chinese would say. 'we're so angry about this.' but they'd do nothing because their economy is dependant on the u.s. if we stop buying, they start starving. the chinese have moved further into the 21st century economincally if not culturally than anybody else but india. that's why they were willing to step into those multi-lateral nuke negotiations. it's not 1952 anymore or '72 for that matter. china is ruled by the dollar now. the only way they start lobbing nukes around is if we recognize taiwan as an independent country. and then still not likely.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#39

an eye for an eye

Mucha informacion
HUSSY POWER! ------ HUSSY POWER!
#40

an eye for an eye

Papa, this would be so much easier if you could just be stupid.
on so many things, I agree with you. The major problem we're going to face (are facing, will face forever) is that it's going to be next to impossible to create any kind of government that rejects faith-based initiatives (hey, our country ought to think about that!) as a way of life. And that's going to lead to continued strife since even separate factions of Muslims can't get along. In the meantime, the surrounding countries, doubtless scared ****less by the possibility of becoming another Iraq, will make sure to train thousands of little boys to hate anyone who isn't exactly like them to infiltrate the "infidels" and destroy them. So it will continue.
Our best answer, as you said, is merely to buy time until we can become independent from oil. Then they can feel free to wage whatever it is they want to wage.
#41

an eye for an eye

singer, i kinda disagree with you because i see "faith based initiatives" as recognized by this administration as a world apart from sharia law. now, i know some folks want to make the leap that any recognition of any religious group as being able to help their community and as such deserving of funds to allow that to happen is akin to declaring that jesus h. christ is now the secretary of the interior. i just don't see it as such.

the wahhabist zealots are seeking a strict unelected theocracy that is unswerable to no one and has the power to overturn any law. in a strange way, their "majils" (as they are called in iran) are a perverse mirror of our supreme court. only as we revere law and order and require a complex vetting process for supremne court justices, the process over there is usually nepotism or who can command the ear of those already on the council. eventually, the goal is a return to a khalifa: a muslim empire that rules the middle east and offers its allegiance only to allah, after of course it has cleansed it's lands of chrisians, jews and other infidels. it's a split in islam that goes back to the fact that no one ever planned for what to do after muhammed died so there was a split between those who wanted to modernize the religion and make it more accepting and forward thinking and those who demanded that life mirror only what the official qur'an dictated. unfortunately, they never adequately settled that argument so unlike christiaanity that went through a reformation and lost much of its relevance as a political institution, islam is still the central tenet in folks lives and holds all the sway.

as to the idea that the surrounding coluntries are scared ****less of america swooping in on them, the only two contries that really have that as a fear are iran and syria. syria of course is more frightened of israel since their bombing the ****e out of assad's little buddies in hezbollah is a much more real possibility than the idea that the us is going to invade.

the iranians are more frightened of their own people than of any outside force as their tenuous hold of power is less and less strong with each succeeding generation. if anything, the iranian experiment in islamic revolution stands as an example of the inherent problems in a theocracy and proves on an almost daily basis to more and more young iranians why a representative democracy is a necessary component for progress. the widespread corruption that runs rampant in the theocracy there and the abject poverty of the majority of iranians gets harder and harder to blaame on anyone else.

the schools of hatred that you talk of, the madrassas, are the result of people trying anything to hold onto power. it's the same as any other dictatorship where education is abandoned in favor of propaganda. the worst fo the madrassas are in saudi arabia where the ruling house of saud made a deal with the wahhabists in the 30's that teh hous of saud would take care of the financial and foreign relations and the wahhabists would deal with education and internal issues. those generations of youths that have been taught to hate have all grown up and are acting just like they were taught to act. osama is not an aberration, but a perfect model of a saudi public education. but how can we effect change? how can we force palestinians to stop teaching their children that jews make passover matzos with the blood of palestinian children?

the change in these countries might come, as tom friedman recently noted in his times column (and if you're not reading friedman's columns you should be and nick kristof as well, even though i disagree with kristof almost all the time) when the upper middle class in islamic countries see their maid's children (usually indian and sometimes chinese or asian) doing better than their own. but it's not going to come quickly enough or without bloodshed. if by our actions in iraq we can push it in that direction, it's worth it. even if not, it was worth it to try. otherwise it's just buying time until some hate group gets it's hands on a nuke and wipes out nyc, which will supremely piss me off in the shake (10 nanoseconds) before i'm vaporized along with 8 million others.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#42

an eye for an eye

i swear i will get around to reading those posts sometime tomarrow. but, yes dame, i do think it is time for a change. im just not sure that the kind of ideal change i'd like is even possible.
#43

an eye for an eye

Ok, I'm not American so if you want to say I dunno what I'm talking about go ahead. However, I think that the War on Iraq has been INCREDIBLY badly handled by both parties of the coalition.

On this side of the Pond, our darling Mr Blair refuses to back down over any issue regardless of the evidence coming out of Iraq. There has been no sign of any WMDs, and I highly doubt they'd vanish into thin air without leaving some trace. Similarly there has been no evidence that Saddam Hussein and Al Quaeda are linked (except that Osama Bin Laden tried to have SH killed twice). The very least our PM should be doing is accepting that he MAY have been wrong.

As for Bush, admittedly he's been a lot quicker to change the emphasis - I note he was all for 'regime change' whilst Blair focused on WMDs so much as I despise the man I think Bush is the better politician. But he is trying to have too much control over the new regime, right down to 'suggesting' a new Prime Minister (or was it President? I forget). We CANNOT impose our version of democracy on people whose beliefs and experiences differ so much from our own. That is the way to gain the resentment of half the Arab world (the half that doesn't already despise the West, I mean).

Personally I think what really did it for the US in terms of the opinions of Arab peoples is the way the US has treated the Palestinians. What Israel is doing in ghettoing them, bulldozing houses, aerial bombardment, etc smacks of a modern version of Nazi Germany except this time they have the backing of the US, whilst the Palestinians, with neither the support nor the weapons that the Israelis receive from more powerful nations, are condemned as terrorists for trying to hold onto their homes and their freedom! I'm sorry, but the US administration's unconditional support for Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is proof that they don't give a damn how people are treated if they're getting something out of it! If they went into Iraq for the sake of the people and not to acheive a more US-friendly government, then WHY do they not offer the Palestinians more tangible (or indeed ANY) support?
#44

an eye for an eye

why does hamas still call for the unconditional destruction of israel? why does the palestinian authority still cling to the outrageous "right of return" demand? that's just code for "get rid of the jews" and get our land back. until the palestinians stop talking out of one side of their mouths to the international community and another to their own people there's no hope for peace. but let's see how they do with running gaza by themselves after the israelis pull out.

who's suggesting anything? the iraqi council chose both the pm and the new president, neither of whom was who the coalition or the un's brahimi would have picked. that's done. and if you want to complain about the handover process it's time to take it to the un and not complain about bush, because the un's in charge of elections.

we're not imposing anything. we're allowing them the opportunity to choose their own way. given that opportunity most would choose not to live under an oppressive regime whether that be a dictatorship, or a theocracy. don't be fooled by the fact that the loudest voices are often the most negative. they have the most to lose in a government that is answerable to the people and thus they scream the loudest and kill the most. besides, the folks there causing the trouble are not suggesting alternatives (well, other than the iranians who are bound and determined to annex iraq and make both countries one big islamic republic). they are the worst kind of nihilists who only want to see america and anyone who supports america fail.

how dare you compare the jews to the nazis? have you no shame? what a horrid and ill thought out suggestion. where are the concentration camps? and don't tell me about refugee camps because they aare no where near to being the same thing? where are the death camps? where is the "final solution?" bulldozing the homes of those who launch attacks? perfectly justified. leveling a home that serves as a bomb factory? perfectly justifiable. when the palestinians use children as shields, it is the ultimate hypocrisy to turn about and cry foul when those shields are killed. just as al sadr in najaf launched attacks from behind the walls of a mosque and then claimed sanctuary, the palestinians send gunners surrounded by school children to fire on israeli defense forces. it is they who hold the responsibility for the attacks that level their homes. if you know that the israelis will level your home and drive your family into the streets should you undertake a terrorist attack against them, is it logical to do so? to people who send other people's children out wrapped in semtex studded with ball bearings soaked in rat poison, i guess it would be.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#46

an eye for an eye

oh, elphaba, i await with breathless anticipation your next syllable.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#47

an eye for an eye

Interesting points, Papa. My only reasoning for comparing faith based initiatives to the crap the people in the MIddle East put up with is that it's just a step back in that direction. When you legitimize a particular denomination of CHristianity (and, let's face it, some of them will get preferential treatment),you move us back in a step of allowing particular denominations to dictate how the entire rest of the country behave. OF course, it'd start off locally and spread as time goes on.
We could certainly keep talking about this until, well, until long after the actual conflict is over, but I will say that, from the moment it was announced, the invasion of Iraq seemed ill-conceived, ill-executed, and completely inappropriate. Of course, we were bamboozled into thinking it'd be such an easy thing, it was really easy to look at the smoke and mirrors and believe that the invasion would be quick and the reformation would be just as quick. It was certainly aided by media images of our military-avoiding president shooting down onto a carrier in a jet and a flight suit to announce the end of major conflict.
Now, when the reality became apparent to the US populace, we have a government that suddenly backpeddled and said, "but of course it was going to be this difficult."
I will say that I agree that the media's unprecedented coverage of a conflict is definitely clouding our opinions of what's really happening down there...not to shift subjects so much, but the entire prison abuse thing is far beyond out of control. Anyone who thinks that doesn't happen anywhere and everywhere, especially in our own national prisons, is just ridiculously naive. Is it bad? Yep. Definitely. Just because someone sends children holding onto hand grenades (the stories my dad has told me from Vietnam are truly chilling) doesn't mean we stoop to that level.
Man, I think I just switched points about thirty times in there so I'll hush now.
But, hey, it's all fodder for musicals later.
#48

an eye for an eye

check this out, bway, it's interesting:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/grants-catalog-index.html

i'm>http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/grants-catalog-index.html>http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/grants-catalog-index.html

i'm not sure i concur with the idea that this was spun as an in and out, swap the regime and bail exercise to the american people. yes, it was spun that way to administration officials, but the white house (mission accomplished notwithstanding) was careful to qualify its statements on what this would require and what our commitment would have to be. if you go back and read the white house statements in the run-up to the war, no one was suggesting that this would be an overnight job. however, the press reporting night and day that such statements wwere being made within the administration may in fact have led people to that conclusion. it's difficult for me to fathom how the media can harp on a story until it's the first word on everyone's lips and then blame someone else for putting it there. but, i do acknowledge that the planning could have been better handled, but c'mon, this is a freakin' war, it's not like we can plan for every single contingency. should there have been better planning yes, but if wew were to try to run the d-day operation now it would never happen. the press would be harping on the proposed casualties every day and there would be no possibility that it would occur. so thankfully we fought that war in a different time under idfferent rules.

you're dead right about the prison abuses and i made that point in another thread. hell, americans face worse conditions in prisons in california on a daily basis. that's not to detract from the deverity of the charges, but still.

did you talk to your father today? it's father's day, so if you didn't call him or walk over and give him a hug. and tell him some strange war-mongering neo-con broadway fan said thanks for his service to the country while you're at it.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#49

an eye for an eye

Papa, I did call my dad. Earlier today. I'm sure he'd be happy to hear from another Republican who likes shows. Of course, my dad's taste runs to Big River and Godspell (you know, country gun-toters and shows about Jesus) but, nevertheless, happy. :)
Regarding grants for religious initiatives. It seems so harmless and such a good thing: Allowing private religious institutions to get federal money to provide a civil service in their community. Again, it really does sound great, and it seems like such a great thing to have people who seemingly want to provide this service getting money. But, again, you end up with an outreach that attempts to "Educate" via its religious beliefs and will attempt conversions to their faith. That's all well and good, but just as many people don't want government money paying for an unwed mother's abortion, many people don't want their tax dollars to pay for the Baptist church's latest recruitment drive.
And now we've seriously strayed from Iraq. :)
#50

an eye for an eye

i didn't stray, i just posted a link. an eye for an eye i made no judgement or point. just posted a link.

but do be careful tying or equating abortion in any way with faith based initiatives, they'll skin ya alive for that. and not the fascists either but the "progressives." bway, they will have your guts for garters.

and i was all about iraq in that post. one link but all the text was iraq, iraq, iraq. i was like 80's mtv: all iraq, all the time!
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

BroadwayWorld TV


Ticket Central
Hot Show
Tickets From $58
Hot Show
Tickets From $80
Hot Show
Tickets From $67
Hot Show
Tickets From $59