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#26

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"So is Blanchett the only actress of her generation with that tendency? "

Thank goodness she's not. Nor is she the only one who makes it worth our while. Though she's certainly among the best.
#27

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To my thinking, it's probably one of the best film adaptations of a beloved novel (to me beloved) I've seen. But unlike, say ROSEMARY'S BABY or THE ACCIDENTAL TOURIST, which approximate the feel of the story development in the books, this movie distills the essence of the narrative and then re-imagines how it might be told. It's a brilliant concept, and at the end if you're a fan of the novel, you'll realize how true Ramsay has been to the spirit of the the story's integrity and even its movement. Ramsay just opts to tell it in a non-linear fashion. Again, hang on until the end, and you'll feel the weight of the novel's emotional pull. And Ramsay recreates many key sequences, but renders others in entirely visual terms. Masterful. You feel Eva's point of view without ever "hearing" it, as you do in the film.

Excluding some well-remembered bits of dialogue, some of which apparently they shot, including a famous remark to Eva about why she is among the living, suggests that Ramsay trusts her own ability to deliver a true version of the story that doesn't literally transfer the m.o. of the initial plotting. It's a series of sense memories, linked and then revisited occasionally to produce a full portrait of Eva.

I have seen it twice now, and only feel more impressed with the fidelity to Shriver. But the fidelity isn't a, say GONE WITH THE WIND "faithful" representation.




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Updated On: 12/23/11 at 11:29 PM

#28

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"This sounds like a total rip-off of the Tate storyline on American Horror Story."

Well, considering the book was written in 2003, that's a fairly silly assertion.

I haven't seen the film yet but I agree that those who haven't read the book should think about doing so. It's beautifully written and such a thought-provoking novel.
#29

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"Well, considering the book was written in 2003, that's a fairly silly assertion."

OOOOOOooooorrr, it's a totally sarcastic way of asserting the opposite. Maybe.
#30

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I just finished listening to the audiobook of the novel while on a roadtrip. The narrator was remarkable. I found myself receptive to Eva's predicament. I've been fortunate that my children grew up happy and well-adjusted, despite having my full attention for much of that time. (ie the single parent thing/ working full time), but I've often wondered how a mother can handle it when her child turns out to be mean, antisocial, or commits an atrocity. Or handles the insights into her child's nature that she fears, but no one else is in a position to see. I also read the Columbine book referred to earlier and spent no small amount of time mulling it over then, too. It's too easy to look to bad parenting as the cause.
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#31

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Am reading this now due to this thread... Enthralling!
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#32

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I'm hellbent on seeing this, but it doesn't seem to be playing anywhere in NYC or northern NJ...


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#33

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It only played a week-long engagement I think. It opens again at the end of January.
#34

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I hope so! I want to see the film now too. The book is incredible. It will be interesting to see how it ended up being adapted for the screen.
Those Blocked: SueStorm. N2N Nate. Good riddence to stupid! Rad-Z, shill begone!
#35

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According to RottenTomatoes, the opening date is January 13th in limited release.
#36

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Any thoughts on this (negative) review?

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/we-need-to-talk-about-kevin/5946
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#37

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Ramsay both sets the film's incoherent tone and states her stale feminist agenda immediately...

When I read a phrase like "her stale feminist agenda," a big red flag goes up.
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#38

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Yeah, that was an odd statement. One of the posters calls him on it in the comments.
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
#39

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I still think it's the best adaptation the book could have expected, since it seems almost unfilmable upon reading it.
#40

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Didjya know the late Adam Yauch's production company released it?
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#41

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Video release 5/29, said a man obsessed with the book and film. I have championed both, and had friends think I need a lithium adjustment. And I don't take lithium (yet).
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#42

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I am actually quite anxious to read this book, as I (foolishly) saw the movie first and I am dying to see if the book answered many questions raised by the movie.

As for the movie itself (having seen it with no prior context), I thought it was riveting and frustrating in equal measure. I actually am among the few who wasn't impressed by all the time-jumping. The subject itself is compelling enough without flashbacks and flash-forwards. I know Ramsay was trying to reconstruct Eva's thought processes as she ranges over her past life, trying to figure out when the point of no return was reached, but the end result was that the movie took a long time to generate any momentum. I also wanted to know more specifics about the crime itself and its aftermath (we learn almost nothing about the victims and why they were targeted, and apparently this is covered in far more detail in the book.) And why didn't Eva flee to another state (or country) afterwards? Is she totally without resources? Why would she choose to continue such an existence among the parents of her son's victims (except for the fact that there wouldn't be a movie otherwise)?

Few movies even raise such questions these days, and I won't soon forget this one. The casting is superb. Reilly and Swinton are one of those seeming mismatches that actually make perfect sense as a couple, although it is hard to believe Reilly could be so dense about his son for so long. Swinton, of course, is excellent every second (especially in her shockingly funny scene with the Jehovah's Witnesses), and I speak as no particular fan of hers. (She has often been very good in the past, but she has also given performances that suggest a frozen Mia Farrow.)
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#43

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roquat, the way you write about the movie makes me think you definitely need to read the book. The entire book is narrated by Eva, so you're in her head the entire time. After I saw the movie I keep thinking about rereading it, but I'm not sure I can take it right now. Lionel Shriver is a really fantastic writer and between this and her second to most recent one, "So Much For That" I can't decide which one is my actual favorite, because both of them really got to me. I'm a devoted fan of her work.
#44

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I both loved and was completely horrified by this book. Dark, twisted, disturbing and so tellingly true. Damn, I just dont even have the words for all the reactions I had to this book. Unfortunately the movie was not widely advertised here and by the time I realized it was playing, we pretty much missed it. My boyfriend's not much of a reader - he doesnt devour books the way I do - but he kicked my ass about missing this movie. We'll have to wait for it on dvd, sadly.
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#45

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The book after the movie will be compelling. You won't be disappointed, I dare guess, because all questions will be answered. However, Shriver doesn't dwell on the violence or horror any more than Ramsay; Eva is not present at the crime of course, so it's all reconstructed through her exploration. One of the things both book and film get very right (two women, by the way) is the focus on aftermath rather than lurid details of sadistic violence. The story is about an attempt to explain the unexplainable, and how one survives. It's a great book, and and awfully fine film.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#46

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I'm excited to see the film- its on DVD the end of this month, right?
"You're every gay man's wet dream!" ~ MA

If in Heaven you don't excel, you can always party down in hell...

#47

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May 29th; I pre-ordered on Amazon, hoping for some extras.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#48

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I just got this book from the library and I'm finding it a tough read. Granted I'm not very far into it yet.
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#49

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Stick with it. It is a great book! The pay off will be worth it!
Those Blocked: SueStorm. N2N Nate. Good riddence to stupid! Rad-Z, shill begone!

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