What Tony Kushner has to say about the election — Page 2

I don't think he's still an addict, just a zealot and a puppet and perhaps partially retarded. Loved the Kushner article, BTW.

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I'm begging all rational Republicans to look hard not at what Bush says, but at what he's accomplished. He is flushing this country down the toilet, and he appeals to everything that's weak and wrong in human nature to stay in power. This man isn't just a benevolently bumbling President; he's malicious and destructive and deceptive and self-righteous through it all.

Not that, you know, this administration makes me want to tear my hair out or anything.

Oh, and Iraq is so much more free and lawful now under martial law.

I'm the last person who'll defend Sadaam Hussein. He's the reason I learned how to put on a gas mask when I was in kindergarten. But looking from the U.S. perspective- why did we do this? What was the instigation? There are countries that are just as bad or worse than Iraq when it comes to systematically oppressing their citizens. Why don't we invade all those countries, too?

Because not only is it paternalistic, it's also extremely expensive, in terms of people and money. We were already in the middle of a war- a very important war- in Afghanistan. That country has been practically forgotten now, but not because it's under perfect happy democratic control. No, instead it's been forgotten because Bush decided to stick his stupid head in where it really didn't need to go.

Once again I ask, why Iraq? Why not North Korea? Why not any number of countries in Africa, South or Central America, or Southeast Asia? Is it the fact that his dad, in some people's opinion, didn't finish the job? Is it because Iraq has oil? WHY?

Why are over 1,000 Americans dead? Why are we stuck in a reconstruction that's getting harder than easier with every passing day? I'm not an isolationist. But I believe in knowing when you need to start a war and when you need to use other methods. Not to mention when you just need to put up and shut up. Bush has abandoned worthy efforts like bringing peace to Israel and the future Palestinian state. He's done the Afghanistan war in a half-assed way. And he only put his full effort and attention (inept as it is) into the least necessary effort- this idiot Iraqi war.

Explain this to me. Please.

plum, here's my answer to that question from many moons ago and reading over it, it's not changed a bit...

https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.cfm?page=4&thread=89444&startthread=89517&boardname=off

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saudi arabia: home of wahhabism (sp?) and most of the 9/11 terrorists.

i think you spelled it right, but it's also home to mecca and medina. y'want worldwide global catastrophic conflict with muslims on one side and the rest of the world on the other and the chinese sitting and giggling while the rest of the world blows each other up? invade the seat of islam. it's not a possibility, which is probably why you qualify that remark.

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Invading ain't the same thing as withdrawing support from the regime. *shrug* But I'm guessing that if the royal family got removed, they'd be replaced by something worse. That seems to be the general trend. Hence my "leave it alone- most of the time" theory of diplomacy.

papa - as much as I came to understand the perspective you brought to the Iraq issue, what I haven't understood is this: If that really was their point, then the focus of the plan would have been on what to do after Sadaam was removed, and what has become glaringly obvious is that that was/is not the case. Basically, every day that has gone by has reduced the validity of the 'seed of democracy' rationalization.

Well, looks like our regime change in Iraq is going to lead to a civil war that will lead to an Iraqi fundamentalist regime that makes the ayatollahs in Iran look like a buncha Unitarians. Thanks, George.

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Updated On: 10/21/04 at 05:39 PM

Don't forget the contractors, journalists, and humanitarian workers. Or as Bush would say, perfectly acceptable collateral damage.

Updated On: 10/21/04 at 05:43 PM

Why didn't Papa Bush finish in Iraq?

How come Clinton didn't finish it in the eight years he was in office? The first attack on the World Trade Center happened on Clinton's watch. Had he done something then, we might not have had to go through 9/11. But I guess he couldn't quit "I didn't inhale"ing or pull up his pants fast enough to get the job done.

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If only goth had half of papa's eloquence and wit--I might actually take anything he said seriously.

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To be completely fair, I think some people in the Bush inner circle are true believers in the crackpot theory that Saddam is the big mastermind behind al-Quaeda and attacks like the first World Trade Center bombing.

Except we don't normally give crackpots the controls of international policy, do we?