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#26

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bump
when i saw this thread originally i didn't click on the trailer, b/c i just didn't want to watch it. i get upset very easily. so then today i went to see "devil wears prada" and nicely nestled between "john tucker must die" and some ashton kutcher movie is the WTC trailer. no warning. i wanted to leave but i was in the middle of the row, i tried to cover my eyes but i could still hear it. it's horrifyingly accurate and real. i remember that day. we all do. i think it would be appropriate to make it in 50-60 years when the people who do remember it first hand are old, and the kids can't really understand. but that trailer brought back every memory from that catostophic day... and i just wanted to see a movie about jimmy choos. i'm not saying they shouldn't be able to advertise their film, but shouldn't they warn people? and why put it before a comedy? anyone else been forced to see this trailer on the big screen?
#27

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". . . when the people who do remember it first hand are old, and the kids can't really understand."

Feinstein - I understand your point, I really do. BUT, I also think there are many people stumbling around now - people who were very much 'around' when it happened - who have absolutely relegated it to 'history'. If it didn't affect them personally, it has lost all meaning. Things like this can serve as a 'memory jog' - as interesting as it is to think that it would be necessary.
#28

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I skipped United 93 and I will skip this one as well. I think about this horror daily and I don't need to see it in the movies. That being said, I'm sure it will be the "Number One Movie In America" the week it's released. re: World Trade Center trailer


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#30

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TheQuibbler, that should be "malnourished."
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#31

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wow. i just youtubed "united 93" and found a parody video of the event. what the hell, man?
#32

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yeah, you're definitely right that there are too many people burrying their heads in the sand who have forgotton... and they do need to wake up. i guess it's a line you have to trot between hurting people who still have those wounds open and others that need to be reminded of those wounds (if that's coherent). anyway if it opens one persons eyes then it will have been worth it, but i wonder if those persons will be affected or just see it as another blockbuster? that would be a real shame. just based on the trailer i don't think it will be as much of a loving tribute as united 93, which was done with respect and dignity. there's something almost crass and opportunistic about this. but like i said, i hope it helps someone remember what we've lost.
#33

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". . . there's something almost crass and opportunistic about this."

Well, it IS Oliver Stone.

I tend to feel that one should err on the side of caution. I certainly don't have any need nor desire to subject myself to this experience - again.

And yet, I look around, and see so many - most, really - who have gone right back to living their lives in a bubble. My thought is, though, that if the reality didn't burst their bubble, nothing will.
#34

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Exactly. In the end, 9/11 changed nothing. NOTHING. A movie chronicling the event certainly won't either.
#35

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I'm not sure I know what you mean when you say 9/11 changed "nothing". Our civil liberties have sure changed.
Have you been to the airport since 9/11? The government can now do a whole bunch of things without a warrant. People can be held for years without being charged with any crime. None of these are good changes but they are changes.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions" ------- "Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu" from "Can't Stop The Music" ----- "When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth" ------------ --------- "Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
#36

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Come to think of it, you're right. What I should have said is... 9/11 changed nothing... for the better. We're still a selfish, self-absorbed, egocentric, materialistic, self-congratulatory, intolerant, hate-filled society.
#37

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What, no conspiracy? That trailer makes it look like your typical, by-the-book, made for television movie. I'll pass.
#38

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Never thought I'd see it happen, but it looks like Oliver Stone has lost his edge. If the trailer is any indication, it looks like an overdose of saccharin and schmaltz. And this from the Director who gave us Natural Born Killers!

Updated On: 7/4/06 at 08:32 AM

#39

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Well, I detest NATURAL BORN KILLERS, so...

Updated On: 7/4/06 at 08:43 AM

#41

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well said Jim, apparently Luscious has not paid attention to the slow erosion of personal right since 9-11.
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
#42

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I think what's meant by "nothing's changed" is that people don't care any more about reality than they did before 9/11. Yes, parameters have changed (like those eroding rights,) but the tendency of most Americans to not pay attention - or care - seems to be very much the same.
#43

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I just saw it on TV today, July 4th.

I'm sorry, but playing it all over TV on Independence Day is tacky.
A work of art is an invitation to love.

Updated On: 7/4/06 at 11:23 AM

#44

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I've concluded that all the corniness and/or silliness of the movie is coming from the random and bad looking moustaches (sp?) on almost every male character shown. Cage is not only a horrible actor, but his moustache is terrible too.
#45

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I saw the trailer at "The DaVinci Code" too. This looks tacky and manipulative in the extreme. I still say it's far too soon to do movies about the attacks. Seriously, will anyone who watched it happen, whether on TV or in person, forget that day? Lord knows I never will.
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#46

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I found the trailer's style very PEARL HARBOR, and even more pointedly so with the close-ups of Cage looking tough, then sensitive, then shell-shocked, then grime-splattered and stoic -- heroic. Ugh. It looks slick, it looks well done, i.e. it reeks of state-of-the-art exploitation.

But I'm in the minority -- and got beat up at this board -- because I thought UNITED 93 was one of the most exploitative and unnecessary films ever, lacking a strong point of view, new information, and anything approximating an artist's sensibility (the terrorists came off as the most developed characters, and actually got more screen time.) Using superior resources -- editing techniques, earsplitting sound effects, actual players as themselves -- to replay known events did nothing to bring us closer to 9/11's tragedy.

"So we'll never forget" rings hollow as a motive in an era that uses 9/11 as justification for everything from pre-emptive war to demonizing our robust press. I think we need 9/11 stories that dare to look beyond heroics, that burrow deeply inside the causes and myriad effects, in a context of history and societal changes, not big budget extravaganzas offering facile portrayals of doomed people.

"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling

Updated On: 7/4/06 at 02:33 PM

#48

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natural born killers blew. a hollow satire made as indulgently and as pretentiously as possible.

and yet, for some reason, it's one of the most entertaining badly-made films I've ever seen...
#49

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"I think we need 9/11 stories that dare to look beyond heroics, that burrow deeply inside the causes and myriad effects,"

yeah, cause making a movie that shows just how much of a cause AMERICA was for the actions of terriorist is really gonna be a movie that people react well too. THere's no possibility of anyone hating Hollywood after that movie gets made.

Seriously, think about how angry United 93 made you. Now, multiply it by a thousand mand apply it to every ignorant, arrogant, bigoted, close minded, sheep in this country, cause that would be the reaction, cause that would be the reaction.
when ducks grow thumbs then maybe my opinion will change.
#50

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I cannot disagree. It make take a generation for a more complex examination of any of these times. Perhaps only the theater can be more textured.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling

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