Yet ANOTHER take on Dorothy and her pals...

[EponineAmneris]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 2:19pm

... This time Sci-Fi

https://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/30/apontv.tinman.ap/index.html

Guess we'll never lose our facination with this young girl from Kansas

Updated On: 11/30/07 at 02:19 PM

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 2:33pm

Damn...I thought this was about The Golden Girls!

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 2:34pm

Yeah....there have been a couple of threads about this....

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 2:43pm

It looks dreadful and virtually everything I've read about it backs that up.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 3:00pm

https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.cfm?boardname=off&thread=949538#3330374

[best12bars]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 3:08pm

Their big mistake was in thinking "can we make this better?"

Guess, what you egomaniac jerks, you CAN'T improve on the original story, 'k? It's THE American classic fairytale.

Does that mean new creative avenues shouldn't be explored? Of course they should be. Maguire did it beautifully in "Wicked" and another fairly recent novel did as well called "Was."

But both HONORED the original material. The didn't think they "knew more" or "better" than L. Frank Baum and his story.

These jerks barely seem to know the original story or the Oz lore. It's almost as if they just sat in a big conference room and said, "Let's do our OWN Oz thing. Everybody knows that one."

Except of course, the people sitting in that room.

Honor the material, or stay the hell away from it. But don't try to change it.

You will lose.

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 3:12pm

and dont forget The Wiz.

[best12bars]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 3:18pm

Exactly, doodle. (At least on STAGE, that is.)

They honored the material, and in several instances were more faithful to the original book than the beloved MGM movie.

Both made changes to the work, but reverentially. With an obvious KNOWLEDGE and understanding of the book and the characters.

Not just to make it "cooler."

Ugh.

EDIT: Even those TWISTED LAND OF OZ figures (deeply disturbing) that were like visualizing a nightmare version of the Oz characters had more thought behind them!

http://www.iconusa4.com/online/Twisted-Oz_Index.htm

Updated On: 11/30/07 at 03:18 PM

[Roscoe]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 4:56pm

Well, the producers, composer and book writer on WICKED the musical changed the Oz material, in my view for nothing but the worse (in particular that heinous ending), and can hardly be considered as losing, at least financially.

[The Boy From Ohio]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 5:05pm

I also thought this was going to be about The Golden Girls.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 5:14pm

Please, best2, the people behind Wicked did not honor the lore of Baum's world. I like Wicked, don't get me wrong, but to say that they didn't mess up the original is insane. They changed a lot to fit their vision. And the only reason they did not use more of the MGM version was because of the copyright issues. You don't think they would have had Dorothy appear in her gingham dress and ruby slippers if they had had the chance?

That said, this show looks pretty bad.

[best12bars]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 5:32pm

I like Wicked. The novel and the stage show.

Sue me.

And I'm a huge fan of the Oz books and films that came before it.

THIS? I don't like.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 5:48pm

I also said I like Wicked, but they took MAJOR liberties with the origins to fit their needs. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I am all for reinventing stories.
What is that old adage that there are really only 5 stories. Everything is a variation of those. (I am paraphrasing, but you get my drift.)

A friend of mine refuses to even SEE Wicked because of what they did to it. I say, your loss.

But on another thread, a poster whose screen name was "Elphaba" was appalled at the idea of this Sci-Fi series because of the liberties it takes with the original story. I had to point out the irony in THAT.

[best12bars]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 6:08pm

I guess I'm not saying it very well. Hmm...

What I (think I) meant was, take "educated" liberties with this material, don't just try to "make it cooler."

These people barely know what they're riffing about. As a result the show is a mess.

Sorta like learn the song "straight" first, before your start scatting?

But I like change! I just want some thought to be evident behind it.

[Rose_MacShane]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 6:36pm

"These jerks barely seem to know the original story or the Oz lore. It's almost as if they just sat in a big conference room and said, 'Let's do our OWN Oz thing. Everybody knows that one.' "

You know, that's probably exactly what they said...

[uncageg]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 6:46pm

Looking forward to seeing Tin Man. Loved the book "Wicked". Thought it was a brilliant spin on the original. Like the show and the music. But the show left a lot out that was in the book. That was my only problem with it. I wasn't expecting The Wizard of Oz when I saw it, but the references were nice. Hope Tin Man is worth seeing! On the 3rd night I get to watch it and then run to the airport and fly to NYC! I live in Denver, wonder if I can hop a tornado cross country!!!

[JoshuaEads]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 9:35pm

Best12, I'm a HUGE "Oz" fan and am surprised that I hadn't heard of those crazy/creepy "twisted" figures until now. You're absolutely right ... deeply disturbing! But very thought provoking.

~Joshua

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 9:39pm

Matt Roush didn't hate it:

I admire its nerve (to quote the lovable Cowardly Lion, here transformed into a human-wolverine-psychic hybrid named Raw), and there's no question Tin Man is ambitious. But replacing "Oz"'s joyfully timeless charm with perverse irony and nightmarish, hallucinatory imagery makes this three-night miniseries more of a lavishly quirky curiosity than a keeper.

http://www.tvguide.com/roush-review

[JoshuaEads]

Posted: 11/30/07 at 9:42pm

...and can it really be any worse than the horrid "Muppets' Wizard of Oz" from several years back? That's one that got real old real quick.

~Joshua