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#1

americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

among moderates: 51-27
among democrats: 43-34

the paragraph that really should worry him:

"people who have followed the story are much more likely than other voters to disagree with obama’s statements and to consider them elitist. to date, just 25% have followed the news story very closely while another 30% have followed it somewhat closely."

so the numbers are that against him with only that many following the story. wonder what that'll be in the general election with daily national ad buys putting it in the american people's faces. surely they'll buck this trend once some bammy-ites "explain" things to them.
bad news for bammy
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#3

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

i love it when we're in sync, pj!

i just gave that its own thread. before i saw this response.

the shock is that a week ago they were tied. tied.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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#5

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

heck the governor of pa - a democrat - doesn't even agree with bammy about what dire straits the people of that state are in:
6/15/07 - pennsylvania economy continues to grow
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#6

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

I felt his statement was extremly true....I dont know if it was the smartest thing for him to do at this point, but at least he is not sugar coating his feelings!
#7

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

I felt his statement was extremly true....I dont know if it was the smartest thing for him to do at this point, but at least he is not sugar coating his feelings!
#8

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

extremly true? not just true, but extremly true? this is why liberals lose national elections. see michael dukakis. see john f. kerry. see mondale. see mcgovern. when you hold the majority of the country in contempt, you tend to lose.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#9

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

Well, I have to go to Pennsylvania on Saturday, and the damn coffee better not be bitter.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#11

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

True story...a few years ago I was working on a play which parodies folks in the PA hinterlands but set it aside when Act 2 just wouldn't come together.

I'm thinking of revisiting it now. The working title is "Deerville". Those folks love their venison.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#12

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%


wisconsin does too
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#13

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

Newt Gingrich positions BitterGate for the general election:

GINGRICH:

"If you go to the most expensive private school in Hawaii and then move on to Columbia University and Harvard Law School, you may not understand normal Americans. Their beliefs are so alien to your leftwing viewpoint that you have to seek some psychological explanation for what seem to be weird ideas.

They can't really believe in the right to bear arms.

They can't really believe in traditional marriage.

They can't really believe in their faith in God.

They can't really want to enforce the law on immigration.

Therefore, they must be "bitter" and "frustrated."

This is the closest Senator Obama has come to openly sharing his wife's view that "America is a mean country". Not since Governor Dukakis have we seen anyone so out of touch with normal Americans. It makes perfect sense that it was in a fundraiser in San Francisco that he would have shared the views he
has so carefully kept hidden for the entire campaign.
#14

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

I feel sorry for Obama. That gaffe is the albatross he won't be able to shake off.

Newt just released the playbook to take Obama out in the g.e. provided he nabbed the nom. He's too vulnerable now to sit atop the ticket.

I personally don't buy Newt's portrait of Obama because it could be quickly invalidated by acquaintances of mine that know the Obamas on a personal basis. Personal feelings notwithstanding, Obama is taking a drubbing.

Rev Jeremiah Wright, Cindy McCain's salvo at Michelle and now the gaffe are the perfect trifecta for the GOP.

#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.

Updated On: 4/14/08 at 04:12 PM

#15

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

they know for a fact that he's not an america-hating commie? or they were just fooled by his recent mastery of the jedi mind trick.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#16

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

Obama's good people...just a bit green (and Michelle at bit too 'hood') for the national stage. They both love this country and are only guilty of viewing it through the prism of their own experiences which are perhaps unique from yours Papa or Hillary's due to a number of factors.

He should have read the Condi Rice Manual on Absolute Assimilation from cover to cover before embarcing on a national campaign. I belive his campaign is on it's last leg because his mouth, Hillary and the fair-weather media kicked the others out from under him.

I also don't think he entered the race fully aware of what his country would ask him to sacrifice to become its leader, namely his soul and part of his heritage.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#17

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

i read a bit in a piece - and i can't remember where i saw it now - that had a couple coming up to him after an event and telling him they were still undecided and him snapping, "what more do you want us to do?"

i don't think he's good people at all. i don't think he loves this country, but rather an abstract idea of what this country "could be" if only it would listen to him. i think he's a borderline black nationalist who would work to expand the welfare state and expand entitlements to a level unimagined even by fdr. i think that his ideas on foreign policy are naive and dangerous and would set back world affairs to the point that historians would talk about the glory days of george bush. but then that's just my opinion.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#18

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

"i think he's a borderline black nationalist..."

Woe!

Yeah, I'm taking it slightly out of context but that's one helluva charge to level against a guy seeking the office of POTUS. Furthermore, in the case of a half-white male candidate, it seems to me far fetched to even suggest that he could have delusions of black nationalism.

As a black man myself who is a proud American, I have to take you to task for your depiction of Obama as a black nationalist. Applying your line of thought, I could arbitrarily conclude that McCain plans to extend Bush's longings of manifest destiny via empire building in the name of democracy in the Middle East or that Hillary's aims are firstly to advance some pseudo-feminist agenda to put her in good stead with silver-bejewelled loafer-wearing latte lesbos.

Is it so unfathomable to you that Obama, a half-white man who's resided in not only more than one time zone but multiple continents, could by some small miracle actually possess the cultural sensitivity, intellectual heft, management ability and grasp of constitutional law (especially separation of powers) required to lead a great nation whose middle class is no longer comprised of lily-white protestants?

A gain for him or me or any other ethnic minority or female does not constitute a loss for anyone else who doesn't fit the aforementioned bill. Obama doesn't see the progress of this nation as a zero-sum game, nor do I.

I'm curious Papa, in your opinion, does Bill Richardson have some designs on returning parts of the southwest to Mexico or is Obama alone in attempting to reappropriate portions of the nation's territory and redistribute the nation's wealth to a particular ethnic group or emerging "untouchable class".

The singular event in this presidential circus that has pissed me off to no end as a black man is that the one half-black man in the race (if you're resigned to that classification) was the one compelled to address the issue of race. How has race affected McCain and Clinton? Your own party sat idly by and watched America's uneasiness with race do in McCain's presidential aspirations last time out. My pride will not allow me to rehash the ignorant and false comments made about the heritage of his adopted daughter in a classless display of race-baiting.

I routinely avoid making a disclosure about my own ethnic background and race matters online because race can be such an inflammatory topic. But, I'll leave you with this point to ponder Papa. In the opinion of this black man who is conversant in 3 languages and who has spent some time outside the US like others here, the US does not have "race problem" per se rather a "color problem".

I'm a 44 year old black man who grew up in the segregated south. It's always been about who is "light" enough to pass for white and who so dark that they're relegated to the other side of the divide by default. And many of our newest Americans who hail from the rest of the Americas, parts of “dark” Europe and Asia would be surprised to learn how they would have been “cataloged” as recently as 30 years ago.

Some of my own colleagues have questioned why a half-white man like Obama would marry a black woman like Michelle by American standards to begin with. Those same clowns have dared ask me why a presidential aspirant would attend a church with a practically all-black congregation. Many of the nation’s colleges, churches and corporate entities with substantial numbers of black students/employers came to be because institutions in the main excluded blacks for years. There are still whites in the south (and parts of rural PA) who whisper when they think they’re not within earshot of non-whites “we don’t lay and pray with ‘em”.

Both questions go to my prior point that Obama has been asked by this nation to make a sacrifice that's not been imposed upon either Hillary or McCain. That is that he surrender his soul AND part of his heritage. Both Hillary and McCain easily surrendered the former but neither has been asked to give up their "birthright". I usually dismiss much of your hyperbole as folly but your suggestion that Obama is a black nationalist is way off the mark.

If you are a white man with a kid that has no choice but to accept being labeled black in this country, then I encourage you to prep him or her for a run for national office so that it will be crystal clear to you what sort of sacrifice some of you would have Obama make to be your POTUS. And Papa please, if you opt to reply don’t introduce Tiger Woods into the discussion.


#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.

Updated On: 4/14/08 at 05:22 PM

#19

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

jav, i got no problem with a half-black candidate. or a whole black candidate. or an indian candidate. i have a problem with this half-black candidate who sat for 20 years listening to louis farrakhan's pal rev. kill whitey and donating to his cause. all i ask is that he not choose to associate with folks who allege that AIDS was invented by evil whites. you are the company you choose to keep, not the "typical whites" you happen to have as family. he's a liar and a fraud and a communist. his election would set this country back back further than 1,000 years of george bush. the very sovereignty of the united states would be in jeopardy if this naive marxist were somehow to accidentally be elected. fortunately he won't because his true nature will become more and more evident with each week and the american people aren't complete morons, unlike he'd have you believe.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#20

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

"ortunately he won't because his true nature will become more and more evident with each week and the american people aren't complete morons, unlike he'd have you believe."

Can't wait till November. "he's a liar and a fraud and a communist." and how do you define the other two?
#22

re: americans disagree with bammy's elitist views 56% - 25%

the fenfen collective hates pj.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

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