bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in stone, dudes
bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in stone, dudes
bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in stone, dudes#1
Posted: 7/3/08 at 4:50pm
c'mon, whattaya gonna do? vote mccain? suck it up, suckas, cuz i'm yo man now and you'll sit there like good little democrats and take it.
bammy goes wobbly on withdrawal
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re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#2
Posted: 7/3/08 at 4:53pm
He's doing the Electric Slide of politics.
"To the center... to the center. Now hop three times."
re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in stone, dudes#2
Posted: 7/3/08 at 4:54pm
Yawn. I'm kinda glad my girl lost, because I don't have to defend or excuse anything this dude does.
Speaking of - am I crazy or did the Bammy supporters on this board used to be a LOT more vocal?
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re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#3
Posted: 7/3/08 at 4:55pm
Well, you probably are crazy, but you're also right.
The only ones left are us racist Hillary supporters it seems.
And Javero.
re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#4
Posted: 7/3/08 at 4:57pmnow you have to remember that many of his supporters were all from the fetid swamp skull of the pasty pudg-o known as the fenchurch mpd collective.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#5
Posted: 7/3/08 at 4:58pm
Steve Benen in Salon.com pretty much sums up my feelings about this:
Barack Obama's comments on Iraq in Fargo, N.D., are drawing quite a bit of attention, but if the news accounts are an accurate reflection of what he said, I'm not sure if there's anything especially unusual about his remarks.
"I've always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed," he said. "And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies."
As he arrived for a campaign stop in North Dakota, Mr. Obama told reporters on Thursday that he intended to conduct "a thorough assessment" of his Iraq policy during a forthcoming trip to the country.
"My 16-month timeline, if you examine everything that I've said, was always premised on making sure that our troops were safe," he said. "I said that based on the information that we had received from our commanders that one to two brigades a month could be pulled out safely, from a logistical perspective. My guiding approach continues to be that we've got to make sure that our troops are safe and that Iraq is stable."
Some are interpreting these comments as either a reversal or evidence of a looming reversal. I don't see it that way. In fact, if you'd told me that these exact same remarks came from Obama in February, I'd believe you.
As the Democratic primary process unfolded, the Clinton campaign tried to get out in front of this issue by saying that she was committed to her withdrawal plan -- no matter what. When Clinton's communications director was pressed on whether Clinton would proceed with a withdrawal regardless of conditions on the ground, he said, "Yes."
Obama was never actually willing to make a similar vow, and as far as I can tell, has always given himself some flexibility on troop withdrawal. Nearly four months ago, one of Obama's top foreign policy advisers said Obama is committed to withdrawing "one to two brigades a month," but also to going slower if that pace would threaten the safety of U.S. personnel.
That, in a nutshell, is what Obama said today, too. In fact, Samantha Power argued in March that the next president would have to consider conditions on the ground when implementing a withdrawal plan. For that matter, I've lost count of how many times I've heard Obama say that he wants to be as careful getting out as Bush was reckless in going in.
In terms of "refining" his policy, that, too, is consistent with Obama's general approach -- he crafted a withdrawal policy nearly two years ago. Of course it's going to be refined based on changing conditions.
With that in mind, Greg Sargent raises a good point about the context:
These strike me as less a signal of a coming change in his position on withdrawal and more like a combined effort to defuse the charge that he'll withdraw recklessly and to preserve flexibility as commander in chief.
Quite right. The McCain campaign wants desperately to argue that Obama supports an immediate, "precipitous" withdrawal, that would disregard conditions and/or the wishes of commanders. Given this, Obama's point is pretty straightforward -- he wants to give the Pentagon a new mission (getting out safely), based on a flexible timetable. Nothing he said today changes that formulation at all. I understand concerns about Obama "moving to the middle," but is remarks in Fargo aren't evidence of a shift.
I should note that Obama's position, of course, stands in stark contrast to the McCain Iraq policy, which is effectively, "Keep doing what we've been doing, hope the war eventually ends, and then hope Iraq won't mind if we stick around for a generation or five."
¯ Steve Benen
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re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#5
Posted: 7/3/08 at 4:58pmDouble post.
re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#7
Posted: 7/3/08 at 5:04pm
actually it seems he's employing a complex strategy of putting out so many conflicting statements that no one really knows what his policy is.
kinda like on everything else
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#8
Posted: 7/3/08 at 5:06pmI find nothing in his remarks that contradict his prior statements. The text that b-boy posted says it very well.
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re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#9
Posted: 7/3/08 at 5:10pmI'm still a staunch Obama supporter but I've realized that defending him on this board is a completely thankless job. If you dare to say anything short of Patti LuClinton walks on water and was unjustly deprived of her rightful presidency you get hate mail.
re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#10
Posted: 7/3/08 at 5:13pm
“start leaving we must. it’s time for iraqis to take responsibility for their future.”
unless that line doesn't poll well anymore
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#11
Posted: 7/3/08 at 7:58pm
"Patti LuClinton"
HAHAHAHA!!!
And I will just be shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, if electing a Dem doesn't IMMEDIATELY get us out of Iraq.
SHOCKED!
re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#12
Posted: 7/3/08 at 8:19pm
The Obama Campaign's strategy from the beginning was to use the left wing to win the primary and the right wing to wing the general.
The left-wing Obama supporters fell for it, and the impending disillusionment whether he wins or loses will dwarf the disillusionment that followed the 1968 election.
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re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#13
Posted: 7/3/08 at 10:41pmThanks for the inside scoop, PJ. And thanks for supporting Obama.
re: bammy: hey, my timeline on iraq withdrawal was never really set in sto#14
Posted: 7/3/08 at 10:57pm
I support him with my money, I support him with my time, and I support him with my vote.
And what does he do? He turns his back on the separation of church and state, he turns his back on telecom immunity and he turns his back on withdrawal from Iraq.
He still has my vote because McCain would be worse.
That's the New Politics, Luscious. Get used to it.
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