#26
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:21pm
Why do you think Clinton isn't electable?
....but the world goes 'round
let's pick the running mates for Huckabee & Obama — Page 2
#27
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:22pm
For those of you that think that Iowa chooses the nominee, I'll start with just one example. George H. W. Bush campaigned extensively in Iowa defeating Ronald Reagan. Humm, anyone know who got the nomination?
"Smart! And into all those exotic mystiques -- The Kama Sutra and Chinese techniques. I hear she knows more than seventy-five. Call me tomorrow if you're still alive!"
Updated On: 1/4/08 at 12:22 PM
#28
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:25pm
Huckabee/Thompson
Osama/Obama/Clinton
Osama/Obama/Clinton
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#29
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:27pm
pab,
we know the history, but as Susan "Why I Did I Manage Dukakis" Estrich told Greta Van Sustern last night, times are different now. Countless Americans indicated online that they are tired of political dynasties like Bush, Clinton, Dole, Kennedy etc. Both Huck (and Obama strangely) are running campaigns as "outsiders" and they are gaining traction. I believe the Iowans are prescient.
we know the history, but as Susan "Why I Did I Manage Dukakis" Estrich told Greta Van Sustern last night, times are different now. Countless Americans indicated online that they are tired of political dynasties like Bush, Clinton, Dole, Kennedy etc. Both Huck (and Obama strangely) are running campaigns as "outsiders" and they are gaining traction. I believe the Iowans are prescient.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#30
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:27pm
the democrats will rally around whoever the nominee is and the idea that they won't is ludicrous.
based on iowa, osama has shown a remarkable ability to draw in independents and new voters. if that holds up over the next few contests he's in very good stead. but a national election is not a primary and voters have a tendency to come home to their principles more in the national election and vote for who they want to hang out with.
that's john edwards (from practice) on the left and huck (the natural) on the right.
obama's an egg-head.
hillary's the ice queen.
rudy's weird.
fred's really freakin' old.
romney's weird.
mccain's the crazy uncle who gets loaded at christmas and starts a fight.
based on iowa, osama has shown a remarkable ability to draw in independents and new voters. if that holds up over the next few contests he's in very good stead. but a national election is not a primary and voters have a tendency to come home to their principles more in the national election and vote for who they want to hang out with.
that's john edwards (from practice) on the left and huck (the natural) on the right.
obama's an egg-head.
hillary's the ice queen.
rudy's weird.
fred's really freakin' old.
romney's weird.
mccain's the crazy uncle who gets loaded at christmas and starts a fight.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#31
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:28pm
not only that, javero, but the primaries themselves are set up much differently, much more front loaded and condensed. anyone who gets on a run can easily run the table based on the short time frame.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#32
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:29pm
"Iowa has a miserable history of picking presidents. Since the state jumped to the front of the line in 1972, only once has a winner in a contested race gone on to the presidency: George W. Bush in 2000. Jimmy Carter's presidential victory in 1976 doesn't count -- even though he was the top Democratic finisher in Iowa, more voters chose the "uncommitted" category and thus there was no Democratic winner that year.
More typical from Iowa, a conservative and heavily Christian state, are anomalies such as the 1988 caucuses, when George H.W. Bush, who would go on to be our 41st president, finished a humiliating third behind Bob Dole and televangelist Pat Robertson. This is why today's race on the Republican side appears to be between Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, two candidates popular with the religious right who may soon discover, as Robertson did, how difficult it is to persuade much of the country to accept a religious conservative as president. "
Iowa has a miserable history of picking presidents
More typical from Iowa, a conservative and heavily Christian state, are anomalies such as the 1988 caucuses, when George H.W. Bush, who would go on to be our 41st president, finished a humiliating third behind Bob Dole and televangelist Pat Robertson. This is why today's race on the Republican side appears to be between Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, two candidates popular with the religious right who may soon discover, as Robertson did, how difficult it is to persuade much of the country to accept a religious conservative as president. "
Iowa has a miserable history of picking presidents
"Smart! And into all those exotic mystiques -- The Kama Sutra and Chinese techniques. I hear she knows more than seventy-five. Call me tomorrow if you're still alive!"
#33
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:29pm
Obama's rhetoric was soaring and wonderful. He hit all the right notes and had an absorbing tone.
Obama might be the next President.
Obama might be the next President.
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#34
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:31pm
The Republican Establishment is talking this morning.
What I hear is definitive: "As for Huck, he's a populist not a conservative. He has no chance of being the Republican candidate."
What I hear is definitive: "As for Huck, he's a populist not a conservative. He has no chance of being the Republican candidate."
#35
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:32pm
i'm interested in sc. no gop nominee in the last 32 years has failed to win sc. huck's got a 10 point lead there.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#36
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:35pm
My God, kind words for a Dumb-ocrat from HD! And the Muslim Sleeper Cell in Chief at that! I guess he can win over those Red States.
#37
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:36pm
Don't be fooled. He's only giving kind words to one because he hates the other more.
"Smart! And into all those exotic mystiques -- The Kama Sutra and Chinese techniques. I hear she knows more than seventy-five. Call me tomorrow if you're still alive!"
#38
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:36pm
not those, joe, that one at this point. and let's see how he does in 5 days before we crown him (even though god knows i think i could beat him if he's the eventual nominee).
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#39
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:41pm
#40
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:42pm
Papa I think we both know this thing is far from over. This isn't the end, it's not even the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning.
I think right now either Clinton or Obama could be the eventual nominee.
I think right now either Clinton or Obama could be the eventual nominee.
#41
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:43pm
i could beat obama, but not clinton. she's got too much dirt on me.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#42
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:51pm
Huckabee may get a boost from his Iowa win but his poll numbers are not very impressive.
"Smart! And into all those exotic mystiques -- The Kama Sutra and Chinese techniques. I hear she knows more than seventy-five. Call me tomorrow if you're still alive!"
Updated On: 1/4/08 at 12:51 PM
#43
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:52pm
papa,
I'm with you in that all eyes are on SC...i'm going out on a limb and predicting that the Clinton Express will be decommissioned on Jan 26 in the Palmetto State. Obama gives a lot of South Carolinian's license to part ways with Senator Clinton. The lure of making history either way is too intense for folks to stay home.
And of couse, those country folks will eat Huck up like somebody sopping molasses with a big ole biscuit on his coronation day.
I'm with you in that all eyes are on SC...i'm going out on a limb and predicting that the Clinton Express will be decommissioned on Jan 26 in the Palmetto State. Obama gives a lot of South Carolinian's license to part ways with Senator Clinton. The lure of making history either way is too intense for folks to stay home.
And of couse, those country folks will eat Huck up like somebody sopping molasses with a big ole biscuit on his coronation day.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#44
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:55pm
Watch the speech. He's not my candidate (yet), but the speech is perfect, as if it were written by a higher power that had already decided he was the candidate born to unite all Americans and heal all divisiveness.
Watch it. Not even Bill Clinton or Reagan was as persuasive an orator.
Papa--you keep saying he is unelectable because of things like madrassas and youthful drug use (which didn't hurt Bush--and he still does blow in the West Wing!).
But what if a large enough percentage of the white population was inspired by Obama's message of hope, and minority communities flocked to him--and the Republican nominee was one the current uninspiring batch who failed to bring out the votes?
What you call Obama's unelectabilty could turn into a peaceful revolution.
Because, face it--you've got a handy put-down for all of the Democratic candidates (Breck, terrorist, carpetmuncher), and you can repeat them 20 times a day between now and November, but Obama may be coming in under your radar and despite everything you think is important.
And I'm not even a supporter. (Yet.)
Watch it. Not even Bill Clinton or Reagan was as persuasive an orator.
Papa--you keep saying he is unelectable because of things like madrassas and youthful drug use (which didn't hurt Bush--and he still does blow in the West Wing!).
But what if a large enough percentage of the white population was inspired by Obama's message of hope, and minority communities flocked to him--and the Republican nominee was one the current uninspiring batch who failed to bring out the votes?
What you call Obama's unelectabilty could turn into a peaceful revolution.
Because, face it--you've got a handy put-down for all of the Democratic candidates (Breck, terrorist, carpetmuncher), and you can repeat them 20 times a day between now and November, but Obama may be coming in under your radar and despite everything you think is important.
And I'm not even a supporter. (Yet.)
#45
Posted: 1/4/08 at 12:56pm
which is why she has to pull out all the stops and win new hampshire. it's gonna be a very ugly 5 days on nh tv, phones and email. she can survive an sc bloodbath if she has a nh win.
huck's gonna get brutalized too.
the only question is: will this finally be the year that going negative backfires?
huck's gonna get brutalized too.
the only question is: will this finally be the year that going negative backfires?
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#46
Posted: 1/4/08 at 1:02pm
Hey folks reality check time; it was only the Iowa caucus. The primary vote in NH is on Tuesday. How about everyone taking a giant step back and take a deep cleansing breath, and wait for a couple more primaries (or heaven forbid) the conventions to happen.
"All I ask of you is one thing: please don't be cynical. I hate cynicism -- it's my least favorite quality and it doesn't lead anywhere. Nobody in life gets exactly what they thought they were going to get. But if you work really hard and you're kind, amazing things will happen."
Conan O'Brien
#47
Posted: 1/4/08 at 1:03pm
i call her the carpet bagger. you need to deal with your lesbian issues. and i have as many nicknames for the gop candidates.
and pj what if my aunt had balls?
and pj what if my aunt had balls?
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
Updated On: 1/4/08 at 01:03 PM
#48
Posted: 1/4/08 at 1:05pm
as if it were written by a higher power that had already decided he was the candidate born to unite all Americans and heal all divisiveness.
Oh dear.
Oh dear.
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#49
Posted: 1/4/08 at 1:23pm
Obama was wonderful on Thursday night.
That is a genuine comment from me.
It was truly Kennedyesque.
That is a genuine comment from me.
It was truly Kennedyesque.
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#50
Posted: 1/4/08 at 1:24pm
One of the stories that has been not widely reported was the turnout, especially the turnout of Democrats.
220,588 compared to 124,000 who participated in 2004.
Republican turnout was up as well but nowhere near the Democrats.
Turnout will be key not only in the primaries but also in the general.
220,588 compared to 124,000 who participated in 2004.
Republican turnout was up as well but nowhere near the Democrats.
Turnout will be key not only in the primaries but also in the general.
"Smart! And into all those exotic mystiques -- The Kama Sutra and Chinese techniques. I hear she knows more than seventy-five. Call me tomorrow if you're still alive!"
