the rooster crows again or what's the deal with patriotism, anyway?- Page 2

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 11:50am

No, not exempt one, but perhaps give them a pass in my mind to over-react.

Hell, do you want me to pull up some of the stupid things Bush has said? Or his misstatemetns? Or, does verbatim interpretation only go to Natalie Maines?

Updated On: 6/18/06 at 11:50 AM

[sabrelady]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 11:52am

Always happy to oblige you papa!

*goes off to eat poutine w maple syrup chaser, drink Molsons, wear a touque,kiss a Mountie and use my Health care system all while singing "O Canada!"

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 11:59am

and you've always been so forgiving to george, haven't ya?

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 12:04pm

Actually, I give him a pass on some of the dumber things he says, knowing that is not what he intended. For example,

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way."—Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

And, I actually defended him in the whole sunglasses statement, knowing that it was not his intention to make fun of a blind man.

So, I look at his actions and policies, more so than just what he says.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 12:24pm

i think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this. i don't believe she misspoke. i don't believe she was quoted out of context. i don't believe she used the wrong words. i believe that she was honestly questioning the need and appropriateness of patriotism itself. which is a legitimate question and worthy of debate. but only if we accept that as her actual premise, which i do.

edit: and with that i'm off to the beach.

Updated On: 6/18/06 at 12:24 PM

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 12:47pm

Since her view of patriotism is not defined, and we are both inferring what she means in one way or another, we will just have to agree to disagree.

Enjoy the beach. And Father's Day.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 1:22pm

reading maines' quote, I got the impression that she was aiming for the same definition that u gave, papa: patriotism is love for the country, not the administration. it's not 'all or nothing'. I agree with that. that's exactly why the war protester and the soldier are both patriots.

the problem (and context for this debate) is that we have a great number of people who equate patriotism with one's opinion of the admin and/or the war. and I would argue with those people that michael moore and natalie maines have more patriotism than the bush voter in middle America who slaps a 'support the troops' bumper sticker with the flag on their car but can't be bothered to give the issue more thought than that-regardless of what their thoughts would be.

and I applaud you, papa, that u have never been that kind of republican to belittle the patriotism of the war protestor or bush hater, but sadly, too many people in this country have been.

on the otherhand, maines could be saying what dg said, which has become a controversial thing to express: what's the big deal about 'being patriotic'. and I don't see that as being anti American. I see that as being fed up with the bull**** nature of patriotism in our country that really does seem disingenious. dg served this country- he shouldn't have to wave a flag to prove anything to anyone.

also, I see it as a rejection of the snobbery that can come with those who are superior about this country. who won't tolerate criticism of this country. this country can do no wrong in their eyes. how dare anyone suggest that we are indeed a flawed, hypocritical nation at times? or that we are ever guilty of abominable acts?

I believe that when we deny the whole truth, we disrespect that flag.