viciously un-american protesters dare to repeatedly interrupt his holiness during his 42nd fundraiser — Page 2

"Has he done more than Bush? Clinton? Why can't you just admit that no matter how much he does, it will NEVER satisfy you?"

I won't admit it because it isn't true. If he were to endorse marriage equality for all Americans, get DADT's repeal actually in gear, issue a quick executive order ending DADT discharges until repeal can happen, and actually do something about getting DOMA repealed, I'd be pretty well satisfied.

"How can he work with people like you who don't acknowledge the "baby steps" he does make?"

I certainly acknowledge the "baby steps" he does make. I just recognize them as "baby steps" rather than the strides that a Fierce Advocate should be making.

"No matter what he does you want everything done RIGHT NOW!"

I'm not content to wait for my equal rights. I doubt it is something that you will understand. Looks like we disagree.

"The Fierce Advocate is doing more than any President has done so far. You seem to forget that.

Right. Baby steps are more than anyone has yet done. Nice well and good. It still isn't enough. And as long as Obama continues to endorse discrimination against gay men and women, it will not be enough. Looks like we disagree.

"I would love to live in your world where all he has to do is wave his wand and fix all the problems we have."

That's hardly the world I live in. The world I live in has a President who is opposed to equality for gay men and women. He's not the first. He certainly won't be the last. I'd give a lot for it to be different. It certainly won't be different any time soon.

"Whats weird is, I do agree with you to an extent. I just don't think you are being fair or realistic (we've been over this before,just a difference in opinion)"

Indeed we have been over this before. You're evidently happy with the dribs and drabs of equality that Obama is dishing out. You're far from the only one. I'm happy that some progress has been made, but feel that Obama is not doing enough on the issues he campaigned on, the promises he made. I'm far from the only one.

Looks like the disagreement will continue.

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The disagreement WILL continue, and that is not a bad thing.

I,like you believe I should have the same rights as a heterosexual couple has.Waiting,IMO,is not fair and should not be an option. However,I would rather see some progress instead of none at all. He said during the campaign that he WOULD repeal DADT and I believe he will.DOMA is another story, I knew when I voted for him that he believed marriage was between a man and a woman,yet I still voted for him. You don;t have to convince me with his track record when it comes to gay issues.I believe about a year ago I started several threads bitching about Obama and his record on gay issues.

I'm not happy but the options are:

Vote for change in 2012 and get a Republican in office and see what they do for GLBT Issues.

Accept that he is making small steps and hope he will see things different during a 2nd term. Bill Clinton admitted he was wrong about gay marriage,which would have been nice if he had this attitude when he was President and had some power.I can be hopeful Obama will change his views,but just be glad at the little things he does do. If Obama is elected to a second term,maybe the Democratic candidate in 2012 will be better on gay issues. Until then, you can continue to be bitter and refer to him as your Fierce Advocate.

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What was funny about this last night, was that our news said, "Let's now go to live coverage of his speech" and they cut in right as the heckling started.

You could tell no one was prepared for that.

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jftr, obama - or rather axelrod - came up with the term "fierce advocate" to describe himself. it's like mocking bush with being "the decider" or santorum as "santorum"...ok, maybe not that last one.
dear barry...

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Yes Roscoe I'm asking you: You say Obama has NOT done more than Clinton and Bush on gay issues yet CLINTON instituted these polices you're furious Obama hasn't repealed yet. If Clinton instituted these bad policies you hate so much how can you say he was better than Obama who has vowed to repeal them? Even if he doesn't, wouldn't he still be better than Clinton?

Updated On: 4/20/10 at 01:19 PM

What about this idiot?



Or this one?



Or this?



This is my favorite! Bush during Katrina. Where was all this fake outrage of yours then Goth? Look how "your Guy" spent his time. People were DYING in New Orleans.Look how long it took Bush and 'Heck of a Job' Brownie to respond. You seem to take issues ONLY when a Democrat takes Office. How Unfair and unbalanced of you!

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Updated On: 4/20/10 at 02:03 PM

Not at all. Obama was not golfing or celebrating when a tragedy occurred in his own country,like Bush did during Katrina.So he golfed for a couple hours. Is the best Goth could come up with?

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Really Papa? I expect a desperate Fox News explanation from Goth, but you? Bush vacationed more than any US President and Goth has to bring up a Golf game on a Monday in order to somehow discredit Obama. I think I gave you too much credit.

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They are both idiots- Why go to the trouble to free-dry them? That makes them too light and prone to wind drift. Hack 'em off (or gouge them out) and toss them down on the tee, that's what I say.

"I won't admit it because it isn't true."

Top of Page 2. No?

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Oh. But you can see how I got there right?

I will say that I much prefer the Roscoe that speaks maturely about his political feelings than the Roscoe that makes crazy, irrational, extreme rantings. The nuance

(word of the week--everyone SCREAM!)

he shows here is respectable.

I don't 100% agree, but I can respect that stance 100%

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Updated On: 4/20/10 at 07:34 PM

When it comes to talk of the military, I'd rather people protest his ESCALATION of the war in Afghanistan.

But no, that whole discussion got tabled once we got rid of 'war-monger' Bush.

Where are those who thought we shouldn't be fighting EITHER of the current wars?!?

And why are so many 'progressives' wanting to chant along to the 'let gays fight your ridiculous and inhumane wars along side you'?!?

My priority is humanity - without the subdivision of sexuality.

So many here railed against the wars before - and now, silence.

Phooey.

q, there is rage on the left over such things. it's just not given the kind of voice that it was when bush was doing it. one of the reasons i follow folks like glenn greenwald and aravosis on twitter: they refuse to compromise their values and rail just as loudly at this president as they did at the last when he does the same things. unlike so many of the rest of the left.

oh, i know, i know, "but we criticize him, papa!" we're a buncha nitwits warbling out in cyberspace. until i see the kind of sustained media coverage and outrage over decisions like his recent one to sanction hits on american citizens, it's a double standard and one that demeans the left and robs them of one of their greatest insults: hypocrite.

like romantico is fond of railing at goth and roxy and co., "where was your rage when bush was doing these things?" the opposite applies, "where is your rage now that it is obama doing them?"

and q, just like them uppity impatient gays, you're just gonna have to wait. st. barry is ending the wars, it just takes time. and blood. and treasure. baby steps, y'know.

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Updated On: 4/21/10 at 09:07 AM