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#52

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Again, where does anyone get off thinking they have the power to decide what is right or wrong for other people, as long as no one is getting hurt?

That would be a good question to ask every person who has voted for a measure to deny rights to gay people.
#57

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The ONLY thing that Obama or Biden have said that goes against the gay community is their stance on gay marriage.

A stance that any politician today must take if they want to win the White House.

What's more important are their actions. And their actions have been very supportive on this issue.

Obama and gays:
http://advocate.com/letters_detail_ektid59698.asp

Michelle and gays:
http://advocate.com/issue_story_ektid59804.asp

Biden and gays:
http://advocate.com/issue_story_ektid60855.asp
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#58

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From the apology: ...I support each individual to have rights and access and I understood that in California domestic partnerships come with the same rights that come with marriage."

Seriously?? I'm a registered NY voter and I could tell you that in California domestic partnerships do NOT come with the same rights that come with marriage. As could pretty much any voter I know. Geez. If you're going to make a Prop 8 donation then own your Prop 8 donation; the half-assed, post-election 'apology' just rings hollow.


Kate Shindle talks about Eckern on her blog, it's interesting to hear another actor's thoughts:

Applause to Susan for bringing it to light--I don't think actors will ever stop working at any theater en masse, because that's just not how actors operate--but I think that unless they handle this with singular brilliance, the Sacramento Music Circus auditions may be a little less full for the next couple of years.
shindle's list:uh-five-six-seven-h8te!
#62

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I voted No on 8, but dang...what about some personal life vs. professional life separation? How does his donation to Yes on 8 make him any worse at his job?

He doesn't owe anyone an apology, he has every right in the world to his opinions. I am scared of a world in which opposing views can be so strongly discouraged.
#63

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Sure he does, but that would be like someone working for PETA then giving a large donation to the Butchers Union (yes, I made that up).

He took money that he made largely based off of the gay community to donate to a cause that directly contradicts its civil rights.
#66

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exactly. What is your point, radioactive?

Of course he has a right to voice his opinion and donate as he chooses. What we are saying is that we will choose to voice our opinion by boycotting CMT auditions and not buying tickets to their shows. CMT is highly dependent on their ability to pull "Broadway talent" to head up their season. Since you speak of for-profit businesses, I'm assuming you are a fan of free market capitalism. What is wrong with us voicing our opinion with our wallets? That is what free-market capitalism is all about.


If the audience could do better, they'd be up here on stage and I'd be out there watching them. - Ethel Merman
#67

Updated On: 5/1/09 at 04:05 AM

#68

re: Artistic Director of California Music Theatre Apologizes for “Yes On Pr

He doesn't owe anyone an apology, he has every right in the world to his opinions. I am scared of a world in which opposing views can be so strongly discouraged.

And I am scared of a world in which religious organizations pay millions of dollars to hoodwink voters into voting away our civil rights.

He DOES owe his lesbian and gay colleagues an apology. And they are entitled to have an opinion on the sincerity of the one he offered.
#69

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I am not defending him in the slightest. But no one ever owes anyone an apology really, do they? What they do have to live with are the choices they make and the consequences of their actions. Should he apologize? Would the gay and lesbian community like him to apologize - no question.. but he doesn't "owe" anyone anything.

Also the example above, "Sure he does, but that would be like someone working for PETA then giving a large donation to the Butchers Union (yes, I made that up). "

That's not a good example (I think personally). There's a difference between someone working for an organization specifically on a mission to protect the ethical treatment of animals and someone who works for an organization that some/most/part of its workforce is a member of a specific group. The theater industry isn't in the business of supporting or campaigning for gay rights. PETA is (for the ethical treatement of animals).

Again - I am not defending his actions, etc - just adding to the conversation here...

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men" - Willy Wonka

Updated On: 11/11/08 at 08:55 AM

#70

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Child molesters can marry-as long as it's heterosexual
Rapists can marry-as long as its heterosexual
Murderers can marry-as long as it's heterosexual
Wife Beaters can marry-as long as it's heterosexual
People who have never met can go into a courthouse and marry-as long as it's heterosexual

Don't tell me this is about "Sanctity" or about Children.It's about FEAR. Fear that the people next door are different. And different=bad. It's about people taking advantage of that honest animal instinct (that is many times necessary) and perverting it.

Conservatives-not necessarily Republicans-but Conservatives-have been on the wrong side of almost every major issue (certainly every social issue)since even before this country was founded. And what do they use as their weapon to further their agenda? FEAR.
Their Track Record:
Against Independence
Against the abolishment of slavery
Against fair treatment of Native Americans
Against Woman's Suffrage
Against the Abolishment of prohibition
Against Civil Rights-including Interracial Marriage until 1967
Against ERA
Against blacks having the right to vote
It's a history that brings to mind the witch hunts of the McCarthy era, and the police riot gear and attack dogs of the Vietnam War Era. A tradition of People as Property and Woman as uneaqual silent passengers. It's the Bus Driver who told Rosa Parks to sit in the back of the bus because that's where Negroes bleonged, and it's the preacher who says that two men can't marry because "It just ain't natural".
At one point all of these issues were scary. Even more so than what we are debating now. But History has proven time and again that the fear was irrational. But more so it has shown that in every case we probably waited to long to change.

What is there to be so afraid of? No one has ever been able to really answer that question.


Other than that, did you enjoy the play Mrs Lincoln?
#74

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I read it loud and clear.

Over half of that list of issues were democratic conservatives. not republican conservatives.

there are still many Liberals (the modern-day democratic conservative kind) who are AGAINST Gay Marriage.

I won't deny that the majority of the reason is religion and fear ... as the Bible states, a marriage IS holy between a man and woman.... but there is still a good percentage out there who have other reasons to vote for this.

Don't be so naive. It's not attractive.

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