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Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

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#1

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

Given the colorful antipathy toward Mr. Ken Davenport on these boards, this post-mortem might be particularly of interest.

Apparently GTBBT was well below its 'stop clause' since performances started, and had almost no advance sales when it opened, but he decided to keep it open and drain the reserves instead of returning any $$ to the investors - half of whom had never put $$ into Broadway before.

In Forbes: http://bit.ly/2DnqEQx

#3

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

Very interesting but it's less of an autopsy and more of a monday morning quarterbacking. Would love to have someone really dig into when they knew it wasn't going to be a viable show, and what they would have done differently knowing what they know now.

#4

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

itsjustmejonhotmailcom said: "Very interesting but it's less of an autopsy and more of a monday morning quarterbacking. Would love to have someone really dig into when they knew it wasn't going to be a viable show, and what they would have done differently knowing what they know now."

"they" don't give a rat's a**. this was a vanity project, that was in fact DOA. The writer got it right.

#5

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

IIRC, you're not a big fan of Forbes's Broadway coverage, Hogan. Why does this piece tick your boxes?

(I agree GTBBT was a misguided vanity project, btw. I only made it through about five songs before leaving...)

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Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

Brodo Swaggins said: "IIRC, you're not a big fan of Forbes's Broadway coverage, Hogan. Why does this piece tick your boxes?

(I agree GTBBT was a misguided vanity project, btw. I only made it through about five songs before leaving...)
"

The writer understood that this was DOA and that any chance it had was delusional.

I unfortunately find that most of what Forbes publishes on its theatre beat is pretty oblivious and naive, so in general I am not impressed. But I criticize ideas and errors, not people or publications. I have said this about about posts I react to on here. There are some people who tend to be more wrong than right, or who post things they don't understand, or without regard to facts. They develop a reputation, but when they say something that's correct, or even astute, I don't let their reputation get in my way. I think just about every person on here that I frequently criticize (because they are frequently wrong, etc) has also received acknowledgement when they said something right or that I agreed with. (There is one exception...)

#7

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

I appreciate that someone is covering the business of Broadway, but if you click through to the author's website he describes himself as a Broadway producer yet he has no credits on ibdb? It looks like he was an investor in Godspell. Hmmm.

#9

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

haterobics said: "Aren't autopsies only performed when the cause of death isn't evident?"

actually, no, but you still prompted a smile.

Maybe this is more along the lines of the title of a Tony nominated musical from 1996...

#10

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

"Let me get my hat and my knife!"

I know but I couldn't resist

#11

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

I’d lay the blame for Carousel’s short run on Jack O’Brien. He had to have been the one to okay cuts to the script and score, and misguided concepts like opening the show in heaven, having the starkeeper pop up in scenes where he didn’t belong, and no full carousel in the opening.
#12

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

StageStruckLad said: "I’d lay the blame for Carousel’s short run on Jack O’Brien. He had to have been the one to okay cuts to the script and score, and misguided concepts like opening the show in heaven, having the starkeeper pop up in scenes where he didn’t belong, and no full carousel in the opening."

You can certainly criticize his work, but to lay the blame for the commercial failure of the production at his feet seems to require turning a blind eye to a host of other reasons. The truth is, most people who needed to come see this but didn't have no idea what Jack O'Brien did or did not do. As I have said elsewhere, revivals are dicey propositions under the best of circumstances, and Carousel does not present the best of circumstances in any event.

#13

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

Interesting Forbes article on the closing of these three shows:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leeseymour/2018/09/20/three-broadway-musicals-closed-last-week-what-happened/#36b3229b1d7f

#17

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

disneybroadwayfan22 said: "If Spongebob was always meant to be a limited run, why didn't they just say so?"

It wasn't.

#18

Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

I have no doubt that had they been financially successful, they had a back up plan to fall back on - if the theater was unwilling to put off renovations. They didn't spend all the money they did to lose it.


If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
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Autopsy of GTBBT, Carousel, SpongeBob

dramamama611 said: "I have no doubt that had they been financially successful, they had a back up plan to fall back on - if the theater was unwilling to put off renovations. They didn't spend all the money they did to lose it."

I agree. First of all, at the time I think a lot of people thought this would never come to fruition (some still do). Second, I would not be at all surprised if there had a deal in place to move, with financial support from the Nederlanders. Of course, a move did not make sense given the business the show was doing.

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