Avenue Q + South Park = ???

Wow. This should be VERY interesting. I can't wait until more information if found on this. This sounds very...different, yet cool.

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i'm having an orgazmo thinking about this musical. south park bigger better and uncut is one of my all time favorite animated musicals.

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well, this board happens to have a Mormon that posts here regularly, and though im pretty laid back about making fun of the church, much more than other members, i do not support this.

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i suppose though that this is inevitable. There aren't many codes of conduct that are adhered to in this society more strongly that that of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

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Well, we're not even sure it's the Book of Mormon they're working on at this point since Marx and Lopez declined to name the text. For all we know, the four of them are doing a show about the Koran. And whatever it is they're doing, you cannot possibly judge the show until the project is completed which probably won't be for at least a year or two.

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Updated On: 6/22/04 at 11:30 PM

All right, I think I’ve collected my thoughts and would like to give I think my first totally serious response.

You don’t seriously believe that it’s the Koran they are talking about. For one thing, with everything going on, nobody would support it. For another, Mormon movies are apparently a trend in NY. For another, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is an American religion. For another, due to missionary efforts, a lot more people know a little about the Book of Mormon than about the Koran. And like I said before, people love to see strict moral codes broken. The Book of Mormon is also much like the Bible. More like it than the Koran. There is little question in my mind, and there is no need to placate me.

I would like to appeal to you all for a lack of support for this particular project. There is so much going on here more than poking fun at an aspect of society.

I wish I could be a better example of my belief structure. My posts have been sarcastic, (clever once in a while) and rude sometimes. They have also been racist, bigoted, and self-righteous, but I wrote those ones under the guise that everyone understood I was not serious. I have also challenged other poster’s ideas. Please believe me that I do not want to criticize others for their beliefs, only that I enjoy debate with a serious topic and worthy opponents.

This church does not ask for pronounced support from anybody. It does not get government money, and it does not pay its patrons. It only asks a quiet respect and understanding from those of other beliefs.

This idea is not a new one. I am told from a Mormon Missionary currently serving in New York that it’s a new trend to make films about Mormons going crazy, including Orgazmo. He told me that there are more than one out about Mormon Missionaries that have turned gay during their mission.

I am fairly confident that this idea will receive support, given the accomplishments of these four men. And I have no doubt that this will not be complimentary. It will be badly insulting and extremely crass. And if these names cause it further fame, it could be badly damaging. This church holds many beliefs that are easily twisted to come up with some highly entertaining stories. I myself, (once again under the guise that everyone knew I was not serious) found it a particularly ample subject for jokes because of what the church represents.

Within a few months I will be embarking on a two year mission, interrupting schooling and spending every dime I have on this cause.

So you can understand why I post this.

I will be preaching a church that, amongst quite a few quirks, promotes families, happy homes, loving your neighbor, education, honesty in all dealings, support for the country, etc etc.

I’m not asking you all to drop everything and join, but to respect what we stand for.

Let me change this around a little bit to reflect a cause that most of you support.
Imagine they did a show that attacked homosexuality. In such a way that would stir up everyone who saw it because you knew that this show was the only exposition to your stance that some of them would ever get.

Now, imagine that by the nature of being gay, you will not protest, you will not appeal for support. The only defense you have is quiet reasoning with those who will listen.

This is not harmless fun. I have seen the ignorant (and I know that none of you support ignorance) antagonism even here in San Antonio stirred up by media representation of our church.

Please believe that I do not get upset and preachy any time anyone says anything about my church. I recognize very much the importance of being open to judgment by third parties, and to criticism. I know mistakes have been made by everyone, inside and outside the church.

And I do believe that this would be a mistake.

I only ask that this team has a serious discussion with a representative from our church before they start on this project. My question to you all would be that is there anything wrong with that? Would it not be totally fair to have representation from both sides before this is produced?

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Updated On: 6/22/04 at 01:14 AM

if you go back and read my post, i never poke fun at something unless its fairly clear that i really do not hold the opinion that i just made. I go over-the-top so that it is clear. I do not think gay people are going to hell. I do not hate black people.

Saved causes feelings of antagonism toward christian. Producers is tottally goofy and farical and does not. You cannot group them together. I have explored some of these types of play. They are designed to cause antagonism.

But do you think that it would be fair to have a disscussion with and authority from our church before such a project is advanced?

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I understand attacking it in an artsy way. I do not object to censoring art. There is art that i do not wish to see, and there for i will censor myself from it, but i do not censor myself in ignorance.

Thats beside the point. the point is that not everybody is an artist. You are and i am, but many people will not take it as a different view on things, but a be subject to the antagonism that it will cause.

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"Now, imagine that by the nature of being gay, you will not protest, you will not appeal for support. The only defense you have is quiet reasoning with those who will listen."


never mind. it was part of a larger issue that i cut down for irrevelence.


Not from what I've read. go look on the off-tpoic board where they talk about saved. They make no distinction between jerk christians and regular christians.

I didn't say that such a meeting is a requirment, I just asked if it would be fair.

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They don't have to be fair. They just have to create.

I'M telling you what Saved is. So there! :)

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you do not even know if it will be one sided. you are just jumping to conclusions. how about we wait until the show opens to continue this?? you are acting like people did over The Last Temptation of Christ and The Passion of the Christ--condemning something you have never seen and are likely wrong about.

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Thank you matt, that was very clever

i highly doubt it.

Be honest. Given the work of these men so far, what would posses them not to give the church a bad rap?

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