#26
Posted: 12/27/04 at 4:50pm
Daniel Letterle - "Debating Robert Lee" with the older daugther from 8 Simple Rules... should come out next year
CAMP - a couple of questions — Page 2
#27
Posted: 12/27/04 at 4:53pm
The whole point is that it is absurd. Its supposed to be cheesy and over the top. it is called CAMP after all.
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#28
Posted: 12/27/04 at 6:48pm
I just about had a heart attack while I was seeing Hairspray in Toronto and saw Sean/Steven(I forget!!) Cutts in my Playbill. He was a chorus member in the show I saw, but apparently he is the understudy for Seaweed.
#29
Posted: 12/28/04 at 1:29am
steven cutts played gilbert and understudied seaweed
#30
Posted: 12/28/04 at 1:31am
I got camp for christmas as well!!
love it.
love it.
#31
Posted: 12/28/04 at 10:10pm
i watched camp with my 2 best friends last friday...and none of us really liked it...i, personally, didnt get it. I didnt pick up on a prominant story line or anything, and it kinda annoyed me how the main character was such a player( i think he should have been gay)
What was the main plot line neways??
What was the main plot line neways??
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#32
Posted: 12/28/04 at 10:17pm
It's a mixed bag when it comes to "plot" in CAMP. I guess the MAIN one would be the love triangle between Ellen, Vlad and Michael, and then Dee gets thrown into it in the last 20 minutes. There's also the plot about the composer regaining his life, the chubby black girl standing up to her parents, Fritzi and the blonde bitch battling it out, etc. That was my main problem: no full plot. I get distracted trying to pay attention to all the different plots. But you've gotta love the musical numbers and theatre jokes.
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#33
Posted: 12/28/04 at 10:22pm
you are right, i loved the numbers, and the jokes were hilarious...the one "have you ever experimented with heterosexuality""what, like sleep with a straight guy" that was funny...so was the one refering to the sondheim pic "is that your dad?" ahh they were funny
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#34
Posted: 12/28/04 at 10:23pm
I absolutely loved this movie. I have grown up theatre and have gone to a similiar camp since I was very young so this was almost a mocumentry on my childhood....soooo funny
#35
Posted: 1/17/05 at 3:10pm
I just bought this movie. I absolutely love this movie. I think they could make this in to a stage show. I think if they were able to get the rights to the songs they used in the movie for the show it would be perfect. BUT it would have to play in a smaller theater.
#36
Posted: 1/17/05 at 9:34pm
I can't believe anybody has anything good to say about this movie! haha...sorry if you guys like it, i'm not trying to be mean...but I can't believe Stephen Sondheim would make an appearance in a movie where the main character goes from one girl to another and then...to a guy? That's now how it works in real life. It just made me laugh, I was sitting there watching that part saying...if he kisses him, I'm gonna turn this off...and he did...but i did watch the rest.
All together I'd have to agree that the minor characters were the best...I really like a few songs...How shall I see you through my tears, Here's Who I am Here's where I stand, and The Want of a Nail. But, the main girl sounded like she was going to split her vocal chords in half when she sang. Anyway, if you like the movie...awesome. If you're like me and think that it's bull****....awesome. Sorry, here's my two cents!
All together I'd have to agree that the minor characters were the best...I really like a few songs...How shall I see you through my tears, Here's Who I am Here's where I stand, and The Want of a Nail. But, the main girl sounded like she was going to split her vocal chords in half when she sang. Anyway, if you like the movie...awesome. If you're like me and think that it's bull****....awesome. Sorry, here's my two cents!
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#37
Posted: 1/18/05 at 1:16am
divacathe, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but something you said puzzles me:
"I can't believe Stephen Sondheim would make an appearance in a movie where the main character goes from one girl to another and then...to a guy? That's not how it works in real life."
What are you saying here, exactly? Aside from the fact that yes, the scenario is entirely plausible and contrary to your limited experience, "real life" DOES occasionally turn out that way, what do you mean about not believing Sondheim would make an appearance in a movie like this? Your vaguely homophobic comment that "I was sitting there watching that part saying...if he kisses him, I'm gonna turn this off" makes me wonder if you're aware of the fact that Sondheim is gay.
"I can't believe Stephen Sondheim would make an appearance in a movie where the main character goes from one girl to another and then...to a guy? That's not how it works in real life."
What are you saying here, exactly? Aside from the fact that yes, the scenario is entirely plausible and contrary to your limited experience, "real life" DOES occasionally turn out that way, what do you mean about not believing Sondheim would make an appearance in a movie like this? Your vaguely homophobic comment that "I was sitting there watching that part saying...if he kisses him, I'm gonna turn this off" makes me wonder if you're aware of the fact that Sondheim is gay.
#38
Posted: 1/18/05 at 1:30am
I thought the film IDEA was great, but the way it was executed killed off a lot of that potential. It still is a fun film to watch, realizing and accepting it's limitations, but it could have been so much better.
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#39
Posted: 1/18/05 at 2:07am
LoudIrishgirl,
I felt the same way the first time I saw CAMP. Thought it was a terrific idea, but felt a bit let down by the storyline (although I loved the musical numbers).
Upon repeated viewings, I've changed my mind completely. Once I got over the fact that there wasn't going to be a central character, I really began to appreciate what's good about the episodic aspect of CAMP. I think that the fly-by nature of the piece is helpful, overall. There's not much wasted time: The Anna Kendrick storyline is told in two brief scenes and one musical number, and yet it's perfectly satisfying. We know very little about the girl with her mouth wired shut, and yet when "Here's Where I Stand" occurs, we know exactly what we need to know about her, and we get a big-time emotional payoff.
I think that the last "swimming scene" that ties up the stories of the three lead kids is odd, and yet appropriate. They're leaving camp, after a summer of immense highs and lows, and there IS no pat ending to that. They've all learned a little bit about each other, and a little bit about themselves.
I really love this film, and the more times I view it, the more I respect it.
I felt the same way the first time I saw CAMP. Thought it was a terrific idea, but felt a bit let down by the storyline (although I loved the musical numbers).
Upon repeated viewings, I've changed my mind completely. Once I got over the fact that there wasn't going to be a central character, I really began to appreciate what's good about the episodic aspect of CAMP. I think that the fly-by nature of the piece is helpful, overall. There's not much wasted time: The Anna Kendrick storyline is told in two brief scenes and one musical number, and yet it's perfectly satisfying. We know very little about the girl with her mouth wired shut, and yet when "Here's Where I Stand" occurs, we know exactly what we need to know about her, and we get a big-time emotional payoff.
I think that the last "swimming scene" that ties up the stories of the three lead kids is odd, and yet appropriate. They're leaving camp, after a summer of immense highs and lows, and there IS no pat ending to that. They've all learned a little bit about each other, and a little bit about themselves.
I really love this film, and the more times I view it, the more I respect it.
#40
Posted: 1/18/05 at 3:16am
After agreeing with Veuve on several other posts, I have to respectfully disagree this time. I saw Camp in a theater and didn't particularly like it, for reasons which follow. When I was given a copy of the DVD, I thought I'd give it a second chance, however watching the DVD confirmed my feelings the first time I saw the film. Though I liked the acting, singing, dancing (the cast is extremely talented and Daniel Letterle is a star in the making), as a gay man I was truly disappointed that the film's openly gay writer/director (Todd Graff) chose to center his film around the one straight (and drop dead gorgeous) boy at the camp and a not terribly handsome gay boy's unrequited crush on him, relegating all the other gay boys (and there were some charmers among them!) to supporting or bit parts. I guess Graff felt that if he told a story about two gay boys in love, or a girl having a hopeless crush on a gay boy (which would make more sense given the setting), no one would see his movie. Truly, if I ever have to see another story about a gay man falling hopelessly in love with a straight man, it will be too soon.
#41
Posted: 1/18/05 at 4:13am
I like this movie a lot. I wasn't a fan of the ending, but I did see a plot. There was a main plot (Vlad dealing with the girl and his er, infidelity issues or whatever we're calling them) and then several sub-plots. I think it was more about a main idea than a plot, though. I saw it as being about people, in whatever capacity, coming to terms with themselves, understanding who they are, and being able to stand up for that. I can't remember all their names, because God there are so many, but Vlad figuring out why he's such an ass (in short), the main girl growing up and being comfortable in her own skin, Fritzi not being a doormat, the wired-mouth girl standing up for herself to her parents, Michael standing up for himself to his classmates and being who he is completely (from the first moment of the movie- but it also sets a precident for the other characters), the drunken writer rejoining the game (ha) and finally loving himself and his work, et cetera. I mean, you can definitely see a common theme here. I like it, and it may have some faults but ultimately I think it's very poignant, funny, and, in a lot of places, smart. I even got teary-eyed during "Here's Who I Am." *ducks from bullets*
Oh, and side note: I thought Anna Kendrick was amazing, she was definitely my favorite. I'd see her in anything else.
-Alexis, a new person here
Oh, and side note: I thought Anna Kendrick was amazing, she was definitely my favorite. I'd see her in anything else.
-Alexis, a new person here
#42
Posted: 1/18/05 at 10:00am
I really liked this movie a lot. The DVD picture quatlity was very bad for an anamorphic transfer. The movie was very chaming, sweet and heartfelt. Thank God I am far away enough to not take that period of my life the subject too seriously.
Just my opinion, I may be wrong.
Just my opinion, I may be wrong.
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#44
Posted: 1/18/05 at 3:10pm
Veauve, Wow. You take everything I say on EVERY post personally, and wrong. haha, it's kinda funny.
This post explains EXACTLY how I feel. And HOMOPHOBIC? hahaha, Hunny, I have more gay than straight friends, I'm a little bit of what you might call, a fag hag. sorry if that isn't the pc way of saying all my guy friends are gay, and I have a lot of lesbian friends as well.
Anyway, A lot of the ideas for the movie were just not real life. I was going to turn off the movie because I couldn't believe what the director was doing with the relationship between those two characters...yes, a lot of times a that happens, but not the way the director portrayed it. What straight guy do you know, who would try to kiss a gay man just to make him happy? what's that? Sorry if you get offended by what I say, but I am the least homophobic person you will ever meet.
Eslgr8
I like it.
Posted On: 1/18/05 at 03:16:15 AM
After agreeing with Veuve on several other posts, I have to respectfully disagree this time. I saw Camp in a theater and didn't particularly like it, for reasons which follow. When I was given a copy of the DVD, I thought I'd give it a second chance, however watching the DVD confirmed my feelings the first time I saw the film. Though I liked the acting, singing, dancing (the cast is extremely talented and Daniel Letterle is a star in the making), as a gay man I was truly disappointed that the film's openly gay writer/director (Todd Graff) chose to center his film around the one straight (and drop dead gorgeous) boy at the camp and a not terribly handsome gay boy's unrequited crush on him, relegating all the other gay boys (and there were some charmers among them!) to supporting or bit parts. I guess Graff felt that if he told a story about two gay boys in love, or a girl having a hopeless crush on a gay boy (which would make more sense given the setting), no one would see his movie. Truly, if I ever have to see another story about a gay man falling hopelessly in love with a straight man, it will be too soon.
This post explains EXACTLY how I feel. And HOMOPHOBIC? hahaha, Hunny, I have more gay than straight friends, I'm a little bit of what you might call, a fag hag. sorry if that isn't the pc way of saying all my guy friends are gay, and I have a lot of lesbian friends as well.
Anyway, A lot of the ideas for the movie were just not real life. I was going to turn off the movie because I couldn't believe what the director was doing with the relationship between those two characters...yes, a lot of times a that happens, but not the way the director portrayed it. What straight guy do you know, who would try to kiss a gay man just to make him happy? what's that? Sorry if you get offended by what I say, but I am the least homophobic person you will ever meet.
Eslgr8
I like it.
Posted On: 1/18/05 at 03:16:15 AM
After agreeing with Veuve on several other posts, I have to respectfully disagree this time. I saw Camp in a theater and didn't particularly like it, for reasons which follow. When I was given a copy of the DVD, I thought I'd give it a second chance, however watching the DVD confirmed my feelings the first time I saw the film. Though I liked the acting, singing, dancing (the cast is extremely talented and Daniel Letterle is a star in the making), as a gay man I was truly disappointed that the film's openly gay writer/director (Todd Graff) chose to center his film around the one straight (and drop dead gorgeous) boy at the camp and a not terribly handsome gay boy's unrequited crush on him, relegating all the other gay boys (and there were some charmers among them!) to supporting or bit parts. I guess Graff felt that if he told a story about two gay boys in love, or a girl having a hopeless crush on a gay boy (which would make more sense given the setting), no one would see his movie. Truly, if I ever have to see another story about a gay man falling hopelessly in love with a straight man, it will be too soon.
"Love is stupid and it bleeds, it satisfies my needs, I think it's wonderful..." ~Bill Finn is God!
#45
Posted: 1/18/05 at 10:56pm
elsgr8, thanks for that post. You're right, and you managed to put into words something that does bother me about the film, but which I hadn't really processed.
I don't know whether Graff intentionally shied away from an overtly gay story for box office reasons, or whether there really was a Vlad in his past that he's basing the character on. I'd love to know the truth about it.
divacathe, I was just responding to your post. Just trying to have a conversation, and figure out why you have the opinions that you do. I didn't call you a homophobe, I said that your comment came across as "vaguely homophobic." And as I said in my original post, you're certainly entitled to your opinions. I'm just innately curious as to why people have strong opinions about musicals. It's nothing personal.
I don't know whether Graff intentionally shied away from an overtly gay story for box office reasons, or whether there really was a Vlad in his past that he's basing the character on. I'd love to know the truth about it.
divacathe, I was just responding to your post. Just trying to have a conversation, and figure out why you have the opinions that you do. I didn't call you a homophobe, I said that your comment came across as "vaguely homophobic." And as I said in my original post, you're certainly entitled to your opinions. I'm just innately curious as to why people have strong opinions about musicals. It's nothing personal.
#46
Posted: 1/19/05 at 12:01am
Awesome...but they that girl that sings How shall I see you through my tears...pretty amazing...
and I have such strong oppinions b/c it's my career....
and I have such strong oppinions b/c it's my career....
"Love is stupid and it bleeds, it satisfies my needs, I think it's wonderful..." ~Bill Finn is God!
#47
Posted: 1/19/05 at 12:40am
My roomate made me suffer through this movie multiple times. I must say my suicidal impulses increased with each viewing. I frankly found it trite and over the top. This isn't to say that it was completely devoid of a few catchy numbers, but I for one won't be seeing this flick again any time soon.
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