Carol Bayer Sager

[Ourtime992]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 12:17am

Watched American Idol tonight. They introduced Carol Bayer Sager as a Tony winner. I couldn't think of a show she had won a Tony for, though I recalled her as a lyricist of They're Playing Our Son, Dancin', and some of The Boy from Oz. So I paid a visit to ibdb and wikipedia. The latter says she's a Tony winner with two nominations, but I can't find a reference on either sort or the Tony's database stating what she won for. Can any of you clarify?

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 12:32am

IBDB doesn't even list her as a nominee.

She's not even in the tonys.org database.

I have no idea. I guess we have to assume that she won a special Tony.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 12:36am

She's never won a special Tony.

And they keep saying "The Tony winning musical "They're Playing our Song."

The musical didn't win any Tonys...

Who checks these facts?

[Ourtime992]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 12:38am

thanks for at least convincing me I'm not crazy

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 12:42am

You're not.

I read her entire bio on her website twice. She lists every nomination for EVERY award, but she never mentions the Tonys that she claims to have been nominated twice for and won once for. I don't get it.

PAGING MARGO, BENNETT, ANYONE!!!

[Ourtime992]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 12:44am

I considered PMing Margo outright, but thought this would be less intrusive. Now I give up. I need him.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 12:47am

Is she delusional? Maybe all that hairspray got to her.

I just find it odd that she claims she's been nominated twice (when she NEVER has) and she claims she's won (but NO other official site claims that.)

Very interesting.

[Michael Bennett]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:13am

I don't think she's won a Tony Award. I think somehow - over the years - a Tony nominated show has turned into a personal Tony win in press releases. Stuff like that happens all the time actually, and just never gets corrected.


Updated On: 1/25/07 at 01:13 AM

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:18am

So when she's being incroduced as a Tony winner, don't you think she'd say "Uh...why don't you just say Oscar winner? I didn't actually WIN a Tony."

[RentBoy86]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:22am

Because Tony winner AND Oscar Winner sounds so much better.

[MargoChanning]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:32am

Far as I can tell, Carol Bayer Sager has never even been nominated for, let alone won a Tony Award. MB is right that these sorts of um....... let's call them "exaggerations" happen all the time. Someone -- a press person, an agent, the person him/herself -- puffs up a bio and the incorrect info gets passed on year after year and no one ever bothers to correct it.

I can think of at least one local cabaret artist who promoted herself for YEARS as being a Tony Award winner for a Featured role in a certain hit early 80s musical, who, in fact has never even been nominated for a Tony (for that role or any other). It happens -- and I guess, at the end of the day, it's a rather harmless (though ballsy) bit of puffery.

Updated On: 1/25/07 at 01:32 AM

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:48am

I can understand a cabaret performer trying to sell some tickets...

But an Oscar winner, 2 time Globe Winner, Music Hall of Famer, Grammy winner, and with a star on the hollywood walk of fame - you don't exactly need to exaggerate.

I can see why she did it. She has everything else, why not just lie and say she has a Tony, too.

I just find it funny that all the sites, including her own, claim that she was nominated twice. Very funny. We should all send e-mails to her webmaster or something.

And Ms. Sager looks like Joan Collins in that picture. Christ.

[allofmylife]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:49am

In the film industry, every writer nowadays (and actors and directors) have bracketed credits behind their name Leonard Decaprio ("The Departed") or Kate Winslett ("Titanic") and so many of these, especially in the writer category, are bull****. I have seen at least twenty writers who have ("Speed") following their name (and Graham Yost wrote the script with two other "touchup writers" who can claim credit.) Everyone wants to take credit for the hits and for some reason, nobody calls them on it. So I suppose copping a Tony nom is just SOP in theatre.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:52am

Her bios say she was nominated twice, but she's never won anything.

Here's her stage credits:

Works for stage
· Georgy (1970) - musical - lyricist
· Dancin' (197 - revue - featured lyricist for "If It Feels Good, Let It Ride" and "Easy"
· They're Playing Our Song (1979) - musical - lyricist
· Up in One (1979) - revue - featured songwriter
· The Madwoman of Central Park West (1979) - musical - featured songwriter
· Barbara Cook: A Concert for the Theatre (1987) - concert - featured songwriter
The Boy from Oz (2003) - musical - featured songwriter with Peter Allen

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:52am

But nowadays with the internet, it's so easy to look this information up. I mean, I don't care whether or not she wants to say she was nominated for a Tony or not - but you're got to almost feel embarrased for the woman.

[Michael Bennett]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:54am

The double Tony nominee is no doubt for her two musicals: THEY'RE PLAYING OUR SONG and DANCIN' which were both nominated for Best Musical. So even though its a stretch to call her a double Tony nominee - I can see how she (or her publicist) *could* say that.

It's also possible that Sager has had money in some other Broadway shows as a producer. Most Broadway shows have about 10 producers who aren't on the official credit sheet. Maybe she had money in ANNIE or something that won the Tony and that's how she's claiming a win.

It's all quite a stretch regardles...

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:56am

I thought that as well.

I looked her up as a producer, but you're right, I can't find her listed for anything. Maybe she just...learned to hide her feelings for too long. And now she's crying out loud.

And, for the record, I think "Don't Cry Out Loud" is the campiest song ever written.

[Ourtime992]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:56am

I actually thought she WAS Joan Collins the first time she came on camera!

I find it extremely odd and sad that a woman with her credits would allow such falsehoods to be perpetuated. A wiki full of errors is one thing, but to have the same errors on her own website is just bizarre.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 1:57am

Let's write the b!tch and tell her that the botox is affecting her brain.


She could hardly smile at all on AI, although I could see her trying.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 2:01am

I saw her at a party a couple years ago and I was terrified. She's even more frightening up close. She has this permanent look of bewildermint.

[MargoChanning]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 2:16am

Funny, a friend called me during AI tonight and asked me "Why do they have Joan Collins as one of the judges?"

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 2:18am

They're one in the same. They should make personal appearances as one another.

[MargoChanning]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 2:20am

Carol Bayer Sager and Linda Evans in LEGENDS!

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 2:21am

Couldn't be any worse than the current production...

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 1/25/07 at 2:23am

Brilliant. We could have a FIELD day with a rotating cast of camp legends switching off on the roles in LEGENDS. The show would be a sold out smash hit, because you KNOW all the 'mos would make repeat visits.

Someone should get on that...

But I guess you really can't get any better than Joan Collins and Linda Evans to begin with. The only thing better than that would be if Faye Dunaway swooped in a grabbed the role. I think I would be so excited I'd die from it.