Chenoweth addresses the 700 Club appearance and BWW debate about it- Page 3

[NCGuy]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 4:01pm

Re: "You know what? You can't please everybody and her career should NOT be about making career choices for other people. It is impossible and unrealistic to please everyone."

Keggss, you’re right, you can’t please everybody. But it’s not unreasonable to expect an effort to please a fan base that has supported her from the beginning. Of course she has other fans besides gay men, but a pretty large chunk of her fan base IS gay men (a fact Kristin is obviously aware of).

Updated On: 4/22/05 at 04:01 PM

[keggss23]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 4:09pm

I agree, most of her fanbase is gay men and Kristin knows that. She has long supported gay causes, etc. I truly do not believe that her going on that show should erase all of the good she has done and I do not think she was selling out by going on the show.

You still didn't answer my question about what she could have said on the show that would have made you happy.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 4:11pm

Kristin is not a big enough star to be able to turn down an opportunity as huge as this. If her gay fans want her career to thrive, they will get that. If they wish her ill, that's their prerogative.

Sometimes things aren't so black and white. Her record label may not have given her a choice. You think she has the ultimate say in everything that has to do with her career at this point? Of course not. Business is not full of easy choices and puppies and lollipops.

I personally think we should all take Kristin's stance on not being judgemental of anyone. If people wish you ill, and you wish them ill back, that comes back and bites you eventually.

Live and let live. Even if they don't want you to. You become the bigger person.

[NCGuy]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 4:22pm

Re: "You still didn't answer my question about what she could have said on the show that would have made you happy."

Keggss, are you asking me that? The quote you were responding to originally was not in any of my posts.

If you are asking me, then yeah, I would have liked for her to say something pro-gay since she was appearing on a virulently anti-gay show. But she didn't, and as I stated in my first post, I'm happy that she is at least it addressing now.

[LouW95]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 4:31pm

Unfortunately, some people like Robertson in our times and Hitler in his - thrive on spreading hatred. Robertson makes a fortune and Hitler gained power. These people cannot be reasoned with as Kristin might have tried to do. Her appearance on the 700 Club was a bad career move as it alienated many fans. The point remains that we should NOT appear on programs or events hosted by hate mongers. For those who read history (like many here should), Kristin's statement makes one reflect on a British man named Lord Chamberlain and what he got for his attempts to deal with the devil (Hitler). I think we have all made our points clear and hope people think very carefully before they go anywhere to plug a new disc.

Updated On: 4/22/05 at 04:31 PM

[keggss23]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 4:37pm

Guy-

I was throwing that question out to everyone, not just to you. Sorry, I came off kind of rude in my post, I just get very passionate about stuff like this. Hopefully, I didn't offend you with my rudeness =)

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[midtowngym]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 4:51pm

If Kristin had appeared on The David Duke Show (the KKK leader), people would be understandably horrified--even if she sincerely loved all races and never said a racist word in her life, and it was all for publicity. But somehow it's OK to appear on the show of a man who states:

"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93

And you won't convince me that her label wouldn't have let her decline.

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[keggss23]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 4:53pm

I think we should agree to disagree. I am firm in my opinion and you are firm in yours.

[NCGuy]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 4:55pm

Keggss, no offense taken! Updated On: 4/22/05 at 04:55 PM

[bostonbroadwayfan]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 5:18pm

I guess I'm lost on this one too, she was promoting her CD
like any other performer, it's a gospel/spiritual CD isn't it ?
I'm really trying to undertsnad everyone's opinion here but I don't see what the fuss is about.

If she started doing fundraising for the 700 Club then you might have an issue.
Just my opinion. Fire away:)

[Justice]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 5:28pm

I haven't had time to read this whole thread, as it is pointless banter, but
Why would Kristin have to announce that she is gay friendly on the 700 Club? Is she consumed by gayness that she has to talk about it everywhere she goes? There is more to life than GAY, people, especially if you aren't!

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[B.B. Wolf]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 5:36pm

"I love how the new thing to do with anyone you disagree with is to call them "Hitler" or pull out the "Nazi" word. People! Let's have a little perspective, shall we?"
- John Stewart on Oprah

Robertson did it. LouW95 did it. Both should be ashamed. (Especially after claiming a knowledge of history...)

[jacobtsf]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 5:38pm

Justice- She did not say anything about Homosexuality on the 700 Club.

[Jazzysuite82]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 9:08pm

Yes Jacob that's the point. I don't think she should have addressed homosexuality unless it was posed to her. She actually said her reason for goin on there was for the world to see that Christians can be open minded and liberal. And as I said in a previous post She did mention the closed mindedness of some Christians and how much she has learned to accept others. Maybe her goals were wider than this whole gay thing. She's not a gay spokesman. She didn't mention it then ohh well. She might not change anyone's opinion about homosexuality, but maybe she can show people what tolerance and acceptance is.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:25pm

and round and round in pretty circles we go!

If I were KC, I wouldn't have gone on a show that promotes hatred (700 Club) unless I planned to address the hatred said show promoted. I wouldn't go on any show that promoted hatred just to sell my CD. And THAT'S what she did. All I was saying was that IF she had included the same wording from Gay City News in her 700 Club interview, no one would be having this debate.

And, Justice:

1. If you aren't going to read what people are saying, you don't have much to speak upon.

2. If it's such pointless banter, why are you engaging in it?

3. Any other debate on gay matters, you would be on my side of the debate. Thus, I am very intrigued by your stance.

And Rathnait:

The easy choice WAS going on that show. Standing up against something is what's difficult. Maybe you will be the kind of artist (should you ever make it) that is ok with making these kinds of compromises. I (if I ever make it) will not be.

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[Rathnait62]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:32pm

What I'm "okay with", jrb, is not constantly judging other people who have differing beliefs - no matter what those beliefs may be. I am not authorized to judge Pat Robertson nor Kristin Chenoweth, any more than they are authorized to judge me.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:37pm

Oh, honey, you judge PLENTY. But, I'll let you walk a few more steps in that hypocritical statement.

I DO judge Pat Robertson--I judge ANYbody that preaches hate against gays and lesbians. Or against people of color. Or against one's religion--and the distinction HERE isn't merely a belief that homosexuality is a sin. It's that Robertson preaches hate.

Maybe YOU can live with that. But, I shall not.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:41pm

Judging someone's talent - or lack of - is an entirely different animal than judging them for who they are and what they believe. You certainly don't want people judging you on that basis - to me, that's hypocritical.

What other people believe may be very very wrong - but judging them for it is not our job. You can't go around saying, "You're not allowed to judge me, but boy, are YOU wrong!!" It does not make you the better person. This is wisdom gained with time and life experience.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:46pm

well--I guess seeing how you have 10 plus years on me, I'll just wait and see if I agree then.

But frankly, I don't care if anyone judges me for what I believe. I am proud of my beliefs. I stand by them. And, seeing how I do desire equality for gays and lesbians, I am not content to just stand by when an issue surrounding it arises.

Because, what I'M fighting for here is the bigger picture. I like KC. I haven't boycotted her. The issue I am concerned with is the issue of going on shows that promote hate. Insert ANY name, and I would have the same stance.

[B.B. Wolf]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:49pm

jrb, you're judging Kristin not on what she DID say, but rather on what she DIDN'T say. Not only do you judge, you claim an almost godlike knowledge of her mind and motives.

Updated On: 4/23/05 at 11:49 PM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:52pm

B.B--what you don't know is that Rath and I have a history. So, I will ask YOU not to speak of things you do not know about. And please do not be fooled by Auntie Rath--she is contradicting herself in this thread majorly.

You can say whatever you please about me. I stand by my view that one shouldn't go on shows that promote hate. If after reading all of my posts here, you can't at the least grasp my pov--fine. If all you see is what you just stated--fine. You haven't blown my house down.

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[Rathnait62]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:53pm

You believe that gays deserve equality. That's the belief I'm discussing that is in opposition to Robertson. He believes otherwise. You can sit and judge each other till the cows come home - where does it get you?

I have personally (yes, I said personally) raised over $1.5 million dollars for AIDS education and research (if you need my credentials, I'll give them to you). That was years ago, when that was considered a lot of money for the cause. Now, I step back and let others who can do a lot more, do a lot more. I don't find discussing the problem on a theater message board the way to make a major contribution.

Go out and raise awareness. Go where you will be heard. What is the point of arguing with a few people in one place? Where does it get your cause? Does it just make you feel better? Smarter? "Right"? Because that is not good enough.

[Jazzysuite82]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:55pm

I'll say it again. I'm glad Kristin went on. Looking at the bigger picture, it was a good idea. She's trying to stop a fire at its source. She was talking about open-mindedness which is far more reaching than just anything gay. Why do people ignoring that. People are saying she didn't say gay and good and ok in the same sentence. But she included it in the statement Christians should be more open minded in general. besides Pat wasn't even there.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:55pm

And, rath--you don't know that I ONLY fight the fight on this board. You don't know what I've done in action or what money I've donated.

And, I'm sorry, but raising money for AIDS, while an honorable thing to do, isn't raising money for gay civil rights. AIDS doesn't = gay civil rights.

Updated On: 4/22/05 at 11:55 PM

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 4/22/05 at 11:59pm

I didn't say it was, jrb. I'm illustrating how I fight a fight, as opposed to trying to get other people to agree with me or else. Don't discuss - DO. And if you are doing that, great. It just seems like you spend an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to get people on this board to agree with all your beliefs and stands, time that could be spent in the real world, making real contributions to the causes you are passionate about.