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#1

Company or Jane Eyre

Hey. I'm a 15 year old from Canada. 2 of my friends from musical theatre and I are trying to get the rights to a show to put on and start a small theatre group with some of our other friends from musical theatre. We have a pretty low budget. We've narrowed it down to Sondheim's "Company" or "Jane Eyre - The Musical". We have a small rent-able theatre in mind that seats about 150. I do the music (teaching harmonies/vocal stuff etc.), one friend does the dance/movement, and the other friend does the dramatic stuff/blocking. We are currently waying the pros and cons of the shows. Company is harder vocally and accomodates less people into the cast, while Jane Eyre allows us to include a few more people (though the max we want is about 16 people including ourselves). By the way, these people are ages 14-17. Please give us your thoughts to help us decide which show to do. We are planning to begin this next year or next summer but we have to plan financially/cast/prepare ourselves!!! Has anyone gotten the rights to these shows in the past through MTI? How much did it cost? We are desperate from some advice!
#2

re: Company or Jane Eyre

I'd first of all say that there are MUCH better choices that would be far more practical for an upstart theatre company. Both musicals are extremely difficult to do and could end being quite expensive or not doing justice to the piece. I'd say keep looking at other options.
BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"
#3

re: Company or Jane Eyre

More practical ideas may be:

Tick Tick Boom
Songs For A New World
The Last Five Years

I am thinking that you may want to do something quite small first that could help finance your next larger show. It will also help you gain experience as to what you need to do to accomplish your goal of a larger musical.
BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"
#4

re: Company or Jane Eyre

If you go to MTI's website, on the show page link, you'll find a page to submit for a licensing request. Here, you write in the information, and they'll mail you a contract that'll tell you how much the royalties and rental materials will be.

Having said this, though, are you sure Jane Eyre and Company are the best shows for your situation? Aside from being minimal in production value (for some productions) they are quite difficult shows. Company is a monster to direct (IMO) and Jane Eyre needs very specific voices to pull off the score.


Maybe a show such as Godspell would be good? It's an ensemble show that's minimal in production requirements. If you'd prefer something more contemporary, Zombie Prom. It's got a fun, contemporary score and a quirky story. Depending on the people, I've seen a group of students do quite well on a low budget with City Of Angels. Also, keeping in mind the student aspect, maybe FAME. If you want info on any of these shows, let me know.

I think your bigger question may be the band. Do you have adult musicians, or students? Does your space allow for a small-to-mid size orchestra, or only a few instruments? As a musical theatre director myself, I know the approach you may have. If you're set on doing more, how should I word this, non-teen-ish shows, maybe I can think of something. Let me know if you have any questions. Maybe someone on this board will have some more ideas, in addition to mine.

Charlie
magicpiane@kc.rr.com
#5

re: Company or Jane Eyre

first you are going to need to raise a lot of money in order to pay for those rights but I applaud your having enough people interested in doing it. I mean, when you can't get cast the next best thing is to put on your own show. Carol Burnett did it with the rehearsal club so why not? they did however use their own material so they didn't have to pay royalties, but I say go for it. but you may need to also consider some kind of fundraising because those rights can be pretty expensive. beyond what you're imagining now, trust me.

being the sondheim devotee that I am I should say COMPANY but I'd rather go with JANE EYRE. or SWEENEY TODD. if I was mounting my own show I'd instantly jump at SWEENEY TODD. it's fine material and can be done with huge sets, no sets, a large cast or small cast and always delivers. but, one of the many problems this question poses is when you apply for rights to a show from MTI they won't send the scripts to you until an exact two months prior to your opening night so you won't be able to begin rehearsals as early as you'd like to. they do send you a master script that, technically you are not allowed to copy but the youth theatre program that I'm involved with simply copies them because we only meet on Fridays and Saturdays and we need three months rehersal. there's simply no way around it. I know it's illegal, but I'm not in charge. should I report things like that? I dunno...

Updated On: 5/8/05 at 09:53 PM

#6

re: Company or Jane Eyre

CATS, you can tell the licensing company you want the materials a month earlier. It'll cost a bit more, but depending on the show it is probably just a tad bit more expensive than photo-copying the director's script. Not to mention it keeps you in accordance with the license.

I would strongly suggest staying away from Sondheim shows, witha few excepions as they are notoriously difficult both vocally and in their characters. That's not intended to sound like I say stick with the "easy" teen musicals.


Charlie
magicpiane@kc.rr.com

Updated On: 5/8/05 at 09:57 PM

#7

re: Company or Jane Eyre

Rights for a show from MTI (as well as the other companies: Tams Witmark, Samuel French, R n H, etc.) are really expensive. Not only do you have to pay for the royalty, but you also have to pay to rent all the material (scripts, orchestrations, etc.) I also think thats shows like Company (anything Sondheim for that matter) or Jane Eyre (Even Tick, Tick, Boom, or Songs...New World) are incredibly difficult undertakings, let alone difficult pieces. I would reccomend something like You're a Good Man Charlie Brown (TamsWitmark.com) Or look through some shows at Dramatic Publishing (dramaticpublishing.com) Rights, etc. are much cheaper as well.
#8

re: Company or Jane Eyre

I fully agree with MP, while doing a show like Sweeney Todd sounds great, and doing a show like Company would be marvelous, finding a Sweeney or finding a Bobby that can perform these shows is extremely difficult. Difficult to learn, to teach, to act, especially to sing. Have you considered a concert version of a musical? MTI has several available.
BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"
#9

re: Company or Jane Eyre

The reason I reccomend TTB or SFANW is because working with 3 or 4 people and teaching the music and such is a much different animal than a full cast. The problem though with a show like Tick Tick Boom is that you need 3 extremely talented singer-actors who have the stamina. I would highly reccomend You're A Good Man Charlie Brown (I hadn't even thought of that!)
BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"
#10

re: Company or Jane Eyre

Thanks, Sum. I do have to say, though, that I think Songs For A New World is probably not the best idea - for two reasons. One, very few teens have the life experience to sing things like Stars And The Moon. Two, the harmonies are REALLY hard. I've had to sing the opening of the show before. It's not impossible for people that age, it's just an uphill battle, you know?

You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown (with the new arrangements/additions by Andrew Lippa) would be fun. SNOOPY, is a funny show too.

If you're preferring more contemporary stuff, do tell though.

Charlie
magicpiane@kc.rr.com
#11

re: Company or Jane Eyre

Racially speaking what is the makeup of your community? Would a show like West Side Story or Ragtime be do-able?
BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"
#12

re: Company or Jane Eyre

West Side Story or RAGTIME?!?! We think Songs for A New World is hard... I would not reccomend starting a production troupe run by teens with a show like Ragtime.

Just think simple. You dont want to have to worry about too much (sets, costumes, lighting...) The royalties and finding a cast will be hard enough (working w/ eveyone's schedule, etc.)

You're a Good Man Charlie Brown
Snoopy (I almost like this show more than ...Charlie Brown)
Maybe even Grease would be your BEST bets.

Deffinatly think things you can relate to. Especially if there is not an adult director involved. Trust me from experience.
If you REALLY have the talent, maybe Little Shop (then you have to rent the plant too)

Visit these sites:
www.mtishows.com
www.tamswitmark.com
www.samuelfrench.com
www.dramaticpublishing.com
www.rnhtheaticals.com

Write to them if you have questions - they'll respond

Maybe even explain to them your situation and see what they reccomend. Then take all the reccomendations and narrow them down. I hope this stuff helps. I was in your shoes before trying to do something very similar in my community. Most importantly, know your limitations. Hope this help! Good luck to you guys!
#13

re: Company or Jane Eyre

I was trying to make an example of an ethnically diverse show. I was in no way suggesting they produce it.
BSoBW2: I punched Sondheim in the face after I saw Wicked and said, "Why couldn't you write like that!?"
#14

re: Company or Jane Eyre

Do "Batboy"

Both Company and Jane Eyre (i'd pick JE out of the two) would be really awkward with young actors tackling such adult roles (not that you wouldn't be fabulous and good...it just might be slightly inapropriate...you want to make every one look their best!)
#15

re: Company or Jane Eyre

fieryo, unlike most here, I say GO FOR IT.
At 15 to try this is amazing, and I applaud you. It will be a great learning experience. Whatever you choose....good luck.
I do agree that you may want to try something a bit less complex.......Godspell, You're a Good Man Charlie Brown. heck even Camalot......
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
#16

re: Company or Jane Eyre

and being between the ages of 14 and 17, I would choose something more age appropriate. Company is about a bunch of married couples, and there are some roles in Jane Eyre that need to be played by older actors (namely, a 17 year old boy as Rochester would just be weird.) There are tons of shows that are just as good as Jane Eyre and Company, that would be more fun.

However, I completely applaud you for starting a theatre group. Have fun.



There's always room for pathos - and jazz hands.
#17

re: Company or Jane Eyre

Fiyero, you don't saw WHERE in Canada you are located. (I am in Toronto.)

I have just seen a local community group do COMPANY. They did an excellent job but it was cast with people in their 30s/40s and they spent months reherasing the show.

It would make audiences VERY uncofortable to watch 14-16 year olds playing this show. There is strong language, semi-nudity, and a scene where Robert brings home a flight attendent, the undress and get into bed together and have sex. Also a scene where Robert introduces pot to one of te couples and they get high and bandy about some obscenities. Add to all of this a subtext well beyond your capabilities.

Musically, JANE EYRE is more operatic and makes more vocal demands on the performers.

I agree with the others, star with a smaller simpler show.

Cast albums are NOT "soundtracks."
Live theatre does not use a "soundtrack." If it did, it wouldn't be live theatre!

I host a weekly one-hour radio program featuring cast album selections as well as songs by cabaret, jazz and theatre artists. The program, FRONT ROW CENTRE is heard Sundays 9 to 10 am and also Saturdays from 8 to 9 am (eastern times) on www.proudfm.com

#18

re: Company or Jane Eyre

I think these are all valid comments. You guys are young, love theater, and are excited to get into it on your own terms. You want to do shows you love and that will push the envelope a little. Great. But right now you're 15 and have no money....

I started a productions company when I was 21. We wanted to do daring things that no one else in our community could or would. But we had most of the same problems you're having. My best friend and I scrapped together about $1000, then cast ourselves and our close friends in You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown. We directed ourselves, built our own sets, threw together our own costumes, etc. It was a blast, and the 8 performances in a little space we rented at a local school netted us about $2000. So we made back our investment, even doubled it.

Next we did Zombie Prom. It was a harder sell ticket-wise, but word of mouth spread quickly and sold out most of the short run. That was when we hit the "good stuff." We did Violet and Blood Brothers. Neither were big sellers but we did get reviewed in the bigger papers and a lot of really talented college students came out to perform for us. They were great productions that nobody else would have ever done.

Our little company's basically back to that $1000 mark now. I don't regret losing money on the later shows, nor do I regret "selling out" with the earlier ones. You do what you have to to get on stage and do your thing.

Start realistic and build up from there.

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