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Lilhead..please don't be offended by this - but how old are you? It seems that its the younger people on this board who support shows like Bare and Wicked et al;...I am in my 40s (yes - the older generation) and I just don't see much in the way of Talent in today's group of writers...but like you have said to me in other postings - its just my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
"I don't really get the ending,all i can go with is when after several months,Judith saw Pat sang,and later she kissed him on the toilet,after that the story back to where Pat went down from the stage after he'd sung,and he went to the italian lady.I just don't get it,what Judith exatcly meant when he kissed Pat that she had seen,and did Pat end up together with The Italian Lady?Please help me,thank u very much!" Quote from someone on IMDB in reference to a movie he/she didn't understand. Such grammar!
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I'm 31 and I respect the older Broadway shows but again, we've been there... its refreshing to see new pieces of work that take chances and at least TRY to do something different. I'm only 31 and I have lived long enough to see Gypsy revived on Broadway TWICE!
Call it a regime change...
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Wicked has no show-stopping numbers?? Hmmm, I don't know what you'd call Defying Gravity, but it sure qualified as a show-stopper for me!!

I love how the older peeople always feel the need to complain about how today's Broadway is "unimaginative" and not creative or whatever. I mean, do you remember shows from the 60's?? The Sound of Music? Oklahoma!? like THAT was so original and imaginative!?! come on, give me a break. The simple fact is, nobody will EVER be happy with what's on Broadway. You can't please everyone. So if you really and truely hate what's on Broadway today, then why not rent the dvds of the old musicals and be happy?
I happen to LOVE most of the stuff on Broadway right now. If that makes me young and naieve, well, so be it.

Oh, by the way, Bare isn't all that creative or original either so don't expect it to open any floodgates.
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i wouldnt listen to broadwaylilhead either.. how do you know that the seats were last row mezz. all the way to the side?! Its grosses are high, it didnt get AWFUL reviews (id say mixed) and its Fiddler. It will stick around till tonys, and even if it doesnt win, america will see a number from the show and will be reminded that fiddler is on broadway. it will be around for awhile..
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MimiChica... i don't think that redhot is "complaining"... just stating his view that there is a drought of creative and intelligent shows on Broadway right now... and you're wrong that nobody will ever be happy with what's on Broadway... I'm happy that creative, imaginative shows like Avenue Q are making it... but where are the other young and talented writers out there? where are the new Sondheims? Why aren't the La Chiusa's and Lippa's getting their chance on Broadway? Yet, i DO have to say that "Wicked" is a great attempt to do something other than a revival or staged movie...

redhot is speaking from his experience, which includes many on the stage, and you are speaking from yours... i also don't see where he said he hated what was on Broadway, merely that Wicked was an OK show, as i also felt... it could have been so much more... and there are different ideas about what makes a showstoppiong number... just because it ends the first act, doesn't make it show-stopping... show-stopping would have been for her to fly away at the end of the song... you want a show stopper? try Melba Moore and "I Got Love" from Purlie... now THAT'S a showstopper...

also, why the reference to shows from the 60s? redhot would have been too young to have seen those... and how do YOU know that they weren't creative and imaginative in their day? I infer from your comment about "older people" that you're relatively young and wouldn't have seen those shows either, so i don't know what basis you have for making those comments other than perhaps having seen the revivals or the movies...

and what's coming in 2005? except for Jerry Springer, perhaps, nothing but more revivals and staged versions of movies... nothing creative and imaginative about that... although i AM looking forward to West Side Story and The Wiz, if they are done well...

Updated On: 3/2/04 at 11:46 AM

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JoeyJoe - so eloquent. You're my hero! (LOL!)
I didn't come here to argue - I think everyone is entitled to their opinion - God knows I'm a liberal Democrat. I just think that nothing about Wicked has "showstopper" stamped on it. Now maybe if she had actually FLOWN (I will never stop on this subject)...I might have considered Defying Gravity a bit more seriously. Enough on Wicked. I think people get how I feel about the show by now. LOL! Stephen Sondheim - wherever you are - please keep on turning out the best writing there is!
"I don't really get the ending,all i can go with is when after several months,Judith saw Pat sang,and later she kissed him on the toilet,after that the story back to where Pat went down from the stage after he'd sung,and he went to the italian lady.I just don't get it,what Judith exatcly meant when he kissed Pat that she had seen,and did Pat end up together with The Italian Lady?Please help me,thank u very much!" Quote from someone on IMDB in reference to a movie he/she didn't understand. Such grammar!

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