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#1

Hogging of big theatres?

Just wondering how people feel about the fact that several large Broadway theatres are currently tied up for potentially long periods of time. What I mean is, the Winter Garden is going to be filled for years with "Mamma Mia." The New Amsterdam Theatre will be full of "Lion King" until Cheno and Shoshideden bring their grandkids to see it. "Phantom" shows no sign of slowing down at the Majestic and "Spamalot" and "DRS" will be at the Shubert and Imperial for some time to come. "Wicked" looks pretty comfy at the Gershwin for quite sometime to come and I have a feeling "Chitty" will be a hit at the Hilton/Ford Center. On a smaller scale, I'm thinking "Hairspray" will be holding court at the Neil Simon for a while. I'm just thinking that if big musicals such as "Mary Poppins" are looking to come in, where are they to go? I'm thinking "Woman in White" will take the Minskoff and if that happens, there really is no where for "Mary Poppins" to go unless "La Cage" closes at the Marquis or "Mambo Kings" fails at the Broadway.
What are people's thoughts on these big, long running shows holding on to big prize musical houses for years?
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#2

re: Hogging of big theatres?

I think it's great.

Why should a show have to close just to make room for another show? It's a dog-eat-dog world. If a show is doing well, then stay open as long as you want.

Now, if a show like GOOD VIBRATIONS stayed open for years and years, I would have an objection. It probably wouldn't be selling out often, and plus, it's not the most quality musical. So in that sort of case, I would not agree. I also don't like the fact that MAMMA MIA! isn't leaving anytime soon, but their tickets sell like hot cakes, so they can do what they want.

But long live THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA, THE LION KING, WICKED, and HAIRSPRAY!

Updated On: 2/25/05 at 09:37 PM

#3

re: Hogging of big theatres?

This isn't an egalitarian system, where everyone gets a chance to be on Broadway just because. Does it irk me that Brooklyn, for example, is still running? Yeah, a bit. But what can you do? Life's unfair, and that show got to the Plymouth first.
#4

re: Hogging of big theatres?

HAIRSPRAY won't have the life PHANTOM, LES MIS or CATS has. It's a great show but will probably be gone in another 5 years or so.

THE LION KING, unfortunately will hog that gorgeous theatre for at least another 10 years. Sad, Sad, Sad.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#5

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Didn't Disney renovate the New Amsterdam in order to put The Lion King inside it? I'd say they're entitled to sit there as long as they please.
#6

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Yes, but hopefully they renovated it so it could be a working theatre again and house other productions and not just become another bastard love child of the Disney Corporation.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#7

re: Hogging of big theatres?

It is a working theater. It's housing a production. I don't see the problem here.
#8

re: Hogging of big theatres?

I just don't like the LION KING. lol

(But I'll always love you, Plum) re: Hogging of big theatres?
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#9

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Aww. :)

I have a soft spot for Disney, evil corporation-ness and all. There was a point in my life when I knew The Lion King by heart, beginning to end. And in a world where shows are put together with seemingly no artistic premise except "let's make money," shows that actually try to do something creative- which, you have to admit, The Lion King does- don't look too bad to me.
#10

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Amen, Plum.

We all know that THE LION KING was put on Broadway purely for $$. But they did a damn good job with it. I absolutely love that show.
#11

re: Hogging of big theatres?

The first 20 mins is damn good. After that it's nap time.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#12

re: Hogging of big theatres?

I see what Princeton is saying, but it's not like it's anyone's fault. But I also think he didn't mean that just because a show he doesn't like is there, they should close to make way for new things. He was just saying that there are some big London transfers coming and there doesn't seem to be room. It's true, but he didn't mean it maliciously like "THE LION KING should close for MARY POPPINS."

Now, continuing with the thread, I'm not a fan of THE LION KING at all, but I don't think it should close (although I wouldn't mind.)

Matt G - I agree. The first 20 minutes are magical and after that, it's the same as the movie. Word for word, scene by scene, with just some new songs. It's incredibly boring and tired, and I wouldn't mind to see it depart.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy." -Charlie Manson
#13

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Thank you Munk!
That's exactly what I meant. re: Hogging of big theatres?
I wish shows transfered more like they did in the 60's and 70's and like they still do in London. For example...when Hairspray closes, move Mamma Mia to the Neil Simon....free up the Winter Garden.
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#14

re: Hogging of big theatres?

I imagine the big problem with that is the costs of moving and possibly rebuilding the sets, restaging, doing the sound design, etc. Most shows don't have a big fund of cash to draw on for that.
#15

re: Hogging of big theatres?

The New Amsterdam wouldn't have been restored to the degree that it was without Disney. None of the big theatre owning corporations were able to step up to the plate to part with the money to restore that theatre to its original splendor. Plus, in the mid 80s, that theatre was almost completely ruined by the Nederlander Organization when they did some preliminary work on it, never sealed the roof, and allowed snow and rain to come into it for four years, wrecking it far beyond the original damage. Hate The Lion King all you want, but Disney saved that theatre when it was beyond saving, and I think they are entitled to keep that show running there to their heart's content.
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#16

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Of course they can keep it open as long as they want. I was simply saying that "I", personally, would like to see other shows go in there also because it's such a gorgeous house.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#17

re: Hogging of big theatres?

No one said THE LION KING should close for another show. We know that Disney restored the legendary theatre. AH!
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy." -Charlie Manson
#18

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Well now I'm saying it, munk. The Lion King should close for another show! Popular opinion, be damned!
#19

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Me & My Girl was forced out to make room for Nick & Nora if I am correct

If that was indeed the case, this blows holes in the arguement set forth in this thread. If I owned a theater, as long as a show was putting fannies in the seats, I would let it stay indefinitely
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#20

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Nor did I accuse anyone of saying that they should close The Lion King. But I don't see what's "sad sad sad" about that show occupying that theatre.
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#21

re: Hogging of big theatres?

I totally agree that Disney should be able to sit on the New Amsterdam as long as they want. I do however, have a feeling that Lion King will move when Mermaid materializes. On another note, Disney might be a large corporation, but atleast they keep their houses nice. Many of the Broadway houses I've seen aren't up to snuff in terms of repair, etc. Lunt-Fontanne was terrible when I saw Titanic, they really spruced it up for Beast.
#22

re: Hogging of big theatres?

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Before and after photos of the Lunt.

Yes, that's true about the Lunt. It looks much better now than it ever has, though that was a Nederlander-sanctioned renovation, as they have gotten much better about maintaining their houses. The Lunt was washed in that dark blue paint for The Best Little Whorehouse Goes Public, actually. Prior to that, the interior was powder blue with cherubs all over the ceiling. The new Lunt interior is still not one of the world's most gorgeous houses, but it's a lot more attractive than it was.


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Updated On: 2/26/05 at 11:59 PM

#23

re: Hogging of big theatres?

Does anyone remember how the entire interior of the theatre was painted blue for TITANIC?
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy." -Charlie Manson
#25

re: Hogging of big theatres?

I didn't think this conversation was about theatre restoration.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."

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