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#26

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

the reviews in chicago were so great. the new yorker gave it a wonderful write up.

the show has changed so much. and not for the better.

it really isnt the show i fell in love with a little over a year ago.
#30

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

it was so much better in chicago. the show was so tight.

never once did i question the book. when i saw it in new york i kept thinking to myself...what am i watching?

to me it almost seems like the two productions had different directors.

i think the MAJOR thing that made the changes, is the casting. kelli and matt do NOT have what it takes to pull off these characters. i have talked to others who have seen it in chicago and new york and they all agree with me.

the performances of celia keenan-bolger and wayne wilcox were beautiful and pure. all you could think about was the first time you fell in love. the awkwardness. the innocence. the scariness.

in the chicago production clara didnt take off fabrizios shirt at the end of the song say it somehow. a cheap move made to show off matts upper body.

and im sorry but matts solo number at the top of act one and the scene with his father is totally unnecessary. does not need to be in the show at all. pointless in my opinion. they added it to show off matts voice and give michael a chance to dance for 2 seconds im guessing. whatever the reason is- it dosent need to be in there.

matt and kelli give much more sexually charged, less innocent performances. maybe its what they were directed to do. maybe not. but no matter what the show lost something huge when it lost celia and wayne.

i must say my favorite scene in the new york production is after clara finds her mother talking about her problem on the phone with her father. she runs across the stage, falls on her knees and sings out in desperation and confusion. then walks to the church, and does the scene with fabrizio that goes into the song love to me. everything about those scenes and that song is so pure and beautiful and loving. that is how everything was in the chicago production.

i cried all 12 times i saw it in chicago. i didnt cry once the 3 1/2 times i saw it in new york. and i think the majority of the people on this board can agree they didnt really see anything on that stage that evoked a crying reaction.

when i saw piazza in chicago i thought to myself- oh my god. this is the most beautiful thing. this NEEDS to move to new york. more people need to see this. we need more theatre like this being created. if i had seen the show only in new york i would have thought, amazing score but the story sucked.

i know everything in this post is all mixed and crazy, but i really dont know how to sum this up into words. this show means so much to me, and to see it so changed was really disappointing.

its really not that i saw it in chicago a bunch of times so anything thats different i automatically hate. i love some of the changes in the songs. i love that the secret is told in act one instead of act two, i love a lot of the changes that have taken place. but the overall tone of the show is much different. the two romantic leads dont have what it takes to pull of the show. are they great vocally? yes. but thats not all that it takes to pull of a show. especially a tricky show like this.

the thing thats keeping my faith is that the last day i was in new york i second acted the show (ooops! but i was out of money!) and what i saw really looked more like what i saw in chicago. it really really did. i dont know what had changed- but something had. it made me more optimistic.

who knows what the critics will say. all i know is that my dream is to one day direct this show at a regional theatre, and it will be a lot closer to the chicago production then the new york production. a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?


Updated On: 4/18/05 at 12:06 AM

#31

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

Yeah I agree with kyle. I personally think that Wayne Cilento was a better Fabrizio. I think he was vocally a hint stronger and his top notes we always in tune. I can't say the same for Matthew although he is wonderful in the role. I think Wayne was more italian than Matt. Similarly I feel that Kelli sings the role much easier than celia, however Celia was more of the essence of Clara. I felt she was more innocent and more believable. However given the demands of the score the best of both worlds would be wonderful.


I also love the orchestration. Piano, a string or two, a reed or two and an honest to goodness Harp. THat is a rarity on broadway. I'd rather have Operatic Geuttel than the same old tired cliche sounds that make up what people think Italy should sound like. Madolins and accordions would have turned me off. Accordions aren't the most subtle instruments and I think the school should be orchestrated subtlely. I don't think it's always necessary to write like that. Look at Sunday in the Park with George. It takes place in Paris France for the entire first act. It doesn't really SOUND french and I admire that. It still told the story. The show does have some issues yes and I also believe it would have benefited from having a sung-through operatic form. However I love this show and if you give it a chance, there's plenty of story to be found. whether you like the one told is another matter entirely, but I see no reason why this should have been a musical. LIke I said before, I believe this is simply a conventional love story told in an through the eyes of an unconventional couple. It's obvious that the opinions here are too varied to sway anyone who knows nothing about the show. So I say go see it and form your own opinion. I think it educates a person to see a piece of art that they don't like and analyze WHY they didn't like it and WHY it didn't work. That's true art.
#33

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

WOW WOW WOW! Ok I'm officially foolish. I've just been on ma feet for about 9 and a half hours. I apologize. I knew something about that name was wrong. The combination seemed right though. Of course I remember why. Sorry it's def Wilcox and I got to see him in LAst 5 years in philly too. Geez I guess that discredits my entire post huh
#34

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

No, I actually didn't mean it in an offending way - I just don't like Wayne Cilento, and that distracted me.

You wrote a very thoughtful post, and I still read it, regardless of Wayne's last name.

I wish I had been able to see this Chicago production - I feel as if I would have fainted in happiness.

How was Wilcox in L5Y? I still need to see this production one day...
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#35

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

I'm sorry, but it must be said:
Albin Berg = What happens when La Cage gets a fat Albin (Berg means mountain in German)
Alban Berg = Genius composer of Wozzeck, the Lyric Suite, a violin concerto, Lulu, etc.
I will go to see Piazza soon, I hope. But I doubt that its music is like Berg's at all. Expressionist? Perhaps. Mostly non-tonal? I strongly doubt it. Though Berg's greatest strength was his ability to combine several different harmonic languages and forms into a coherent work, which is definitely a good skill for a modern musical theater composer!

Sorry...I'll go continue studying for my 20th Century Music listening test now (yes, it's on Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, and co.).

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Updated On: 4/18/05 at 01:14 AM

#37

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

I saw the show in Seattle and it was beautiful Celia Keenan-Bolger was wonderful, and Steven Pasquale was fabulous too. I can't imagine hearing Matt sing that score. It's so almost operatic and I've only heard of Matt in things like Rocky Horror and Hairspray.
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#38

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

He actually does a good job with it. I was just saying his A's and B's leave a little to be desired. But I must admit it isn't an easy score to sing. YOu do have to be trained to do it. Matt has gotten some decent training.
#42

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

dissonance now equals elitist? lovely. it's wonderful how musicals can't change along with the rest of the world.
i am eagerly awaiting this show. can't wait to take my vacation and see it.
kyle - thanks for the reviews. i remember how much this has been your baby from the beginning. i consider myself one of the biggest adam guettel fans around, so i clearly can understand all of your sentiments. i'll be sure to let you know what i think.

But I won't live alone in a house of regret.

Updated On: 4/18/05 at 08:22 AM

#43

a season of spllit votes, and more disappointment than usual?

I whole-heartedly agree with everything kyle said about the Chicago production. I haven't seen the Broadway production, so I don't know about the changes, but the show I saw in Chicago left an emotional impact that lasted for weeks.

"the performances of celia keenan-bolger and wayne wilcox were beautiful and pure. all you could think about was the first time you fell in love. the awkwardness. the innocence. the scariness"

YES YES YES!! Thank you! The chemistry between these two actors was palpable. Anyone who has experienced the thrill of new love could immediately identify with them. I remember my heart absolutely pounding in my chest watching them. I was so upset to hear they would not be in the Broadway production and that's when I began to fear the show may be changing for the worse. Wayne Wilcox sang so effortlessly, I just wanted to melt right through my seat cushion. He was nothing less than stunning. And Celia's performance was so believable, I still can't separate the actress from that character (I've never seen her in anything else).

As for dissonance in the score, I really didn't feel there was so much "dissonance" as there were simply unconventional melodies. Dissonance can be found in most Sondheim scores as well as the amazing scores of Parade and Caroline or Change, which I find beautiful and artistic and serve the show well. There was not a single moment in Piazza in which I found the music jarring at all. Quite the opposite, as a matter of fact. I found the music so unobtrusive, it seemed to have begun without my even realizing it and the characters seamlessly moved from word to song in a graceful manner befitting the story. This was the one show I've seen since I moved to Chicago that I regretted not seeing more than once.
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#45

Chicao vs. NYC

Ah, a tale of two cities. Thank you Kyle and others, for the interesting analysis of the differences. We don't get enough of this type of discussion here. So informative.

This wouldn't be the first show to be damaged by excessive rewrites or too much 2nd guessing/too much 'input.' Shows improve, but often, they merely ... change. Sometimes, things are fiddled with out of town, or immediately afterward, because the theater pieces are built, (appropriately) generally enhanced through development. But there are rare pieces that lose their way, an original vision diluted by too many suggestions from too many people. Sometimes -- ask many people who do workshops -- time is an enemy as much as a safety net, since collaborators are afraid to let something be that may already be working. How often to we hear about restored cuts, and songs, that were part of an initial creative impulse?

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Updated On: 4/18/05 at 10:22 AM

#46

Chicao vs. NYC

Fascinating someone here compared it to Michel Legrand. Though I think the music doesn't have the simple, pleasing melodies employed by Legrand, I did think how wonderful Clark, O'Hara and Morrison would have been in a stage production of UMBRELLAS OF CHERBOURG.
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#47

Chicao vs. NYC

robbie - i heart you... even though i'm still mourning over the fact that you didn't like the score and the show. :)

Matt - nice thoughts. I loved Wayne Wilcox in L5Y in Philly. He was a wonderful Jamie, and not as much of a cocky asshole as Norbert. Parade (obviously) is perhaps one of favorite pieces of theatre period, but the score doesn't have as much dissonance as one may seem - certainly not in comparison to that brilliant and often underappreciated LaChiusa (His Wild Party is so delicious, so melodic and memorable, yet quite dissonant). Guettel and LaChiusa and Ricky Ian Gordon are IMHO the most dissonant of the bunch. But, I wouldn't consider ANY of them atonal (in the true sense of the definition). Sometimes all three of them will write songs without key signatures and just input the accidentals (having no true key center) but not too often of it.
But I won't live alone in a house of regret.
#48

Chicao vs. NYC

I think it's just one of those shows that simply hits you viscerally or doesn't. Obviously it has for some people here. Unfortunately, I wasn't one of them. A friend had the same reaction as I did: it would have worked better either as a straight play or a sung-though piece. One of the reasons I think I didn't respond to the score was probably because there was SO MUCH book between numbers. I think if it were of a piece, and the music were constant throughout, I might have responded better.
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#49

Chicao vs. NYC

very well said robbie - i totally know what you mean.
But I won't live alone in a house of regret.

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