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[rican732]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 1:35pm

I've listened to what you all have been saying. I've heard it all before. I'll grant you that the OBC bonded over the fact that Jonathon died. OK. Fine. But you know what you people sound like the people that say Rent is only special because Jonathon died and it wouldn't have gotten the attention if he hadn't. I think its the work. Its the PLAY!! Not the individuals. Yes it would take special people but THESE AREN'T THE ONLY SPECIAL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!!! My God! Please open your minds. Imagine what it would have been like if talented appropriate people in 2005 were cast in the film. Imagine.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 1:42pm

Open YOUR mind. Did I say that they were the only special people in the world? Or that they were the only people capable playing the part? Or the only people talented enough? Or even the ones with the MOST talent?

No. I made none of those sweeping statements. Not a single one.

If talented people in 2005 were cast. What is that supposed to mean? That the OBC was talented in '96, but that because it's 2005 their talent just evaporated?

Don't you dare compare what I'm saying to the people who say that Rent is only special and successful because of Jonathan's death. Those are the people who *don't* believe in or like the show. They're the people who think it's a piece of garbage that didn't deserve to make it to Broadway, and only did so because of Jonathan's death. The people who think that are not *fans* of the work. They're dissenters of it. What I am saying is not comparable to that. I'm sorry, it's just not. I always feel like I need to spell out my arguments 29384039849 times because people are too dense to read carefully: the OBC bonded because of what they went through; they are STILL friends, and that puts a huge impact on the work they did/do together. That's not the same as saying the show is only successful because of Jonathan's death. At all. That's a twisted conflation.

I believe that the piece being everything it can be is extremely dependent upon who plays the parts, but I also believe that it is an extraordinary (yet flawed) work of art. All great works are flawed, but do not tell me that by saying that, I don't believe in it, in some kind of rant of insecurity.

What? Did you audition and not get a part in the movie? Why so much spite?

[dmb_rent]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 1:48pm

Imagine what it would have been like if talented appropriate people in 2005 were cast in the film. Imagine.

It would have been different, and it would have been wrong and disrespectful to Jonathan and his family. This isn't your movie, this isn't even our movie, this is Jonathan's movie, regardless of the fact that he wasn't alive to be a part of it. Again, the only people who should be giving Rent a new life on film, are the people who gave it life in the first place. Nobody is saying that people that took over the roles since the OBC are untalented. The cast on Broadway may re-create those magical sparks every now and then, but it's just not the same. And wow, what a bastardized version the film would have been, if nobody was on the set who witnessed and experienced Jonathan's original vision of the story. No, you're right, let's go get Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguilera for a sequel. Let's rake in the money.

Seriously, stepping down from the soapbox now. <3

[rican732]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 1:57pm

Who's spiteful? This whole board started with people having shivers about some very talented people being in the movie. I think people should be very careful about what they say about people. My mind is completely open. I am open to the most talented persons being in the movie. If that was the OBC great, but if not, they shouldn't have been in the movie. But you know what, I will let you people be, you are all so wrapped up in a myth, its incredible. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I was merely trying to vent my disgust in some of the people who are so convinced of their own opinions. I don't disagree with anyone here saying that the OBC is talented, but maybe just maybe in 2005 there may be better people for these roles right now. Thats all.

[dmb_rent]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 2:02pm

Wow.

[ajayspak2]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 2:03pm

Rican732, I've seen the OBC multiple times and loved the majority of them. Their bond with Jonathan Larson and subsequent lost of their friend, infuses a motivation that Wilson Cruz and Neil Patrick Harris (who Ive seen both many times in Rent) could not pull off. Neither Wilson Cruz or Neil were better than Anthony Rapp and Wilson Jeremaine Heredia, they were good but they weren't part of the "magic" (and yes i use that world purposely) of the OBC. You're entitled to your opinion, but I sense an underlying hostility in your posts. Relax dude.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 2:04pm

You're being spiteful.

You're open to talent, but not the OBC. I think that's silly, because I think they *are* talented, but it's clearly not a point worth arguing with you; by not being open to them and denying their talent, you aren't being as open as you insist you are. You wanted new takes on the parts? Fine. But that's no reason to slam them. I think they're talented. You act like you don't. But then you say you do. This is like when someone said people were "pretending" to like the movie; I must have "convinced" myself that they're talented. You're all wrapped up in nonsense, if I'm wrapped up in a myth. God only knows what you have against the originals, but far be it from me to care what your problem is.

The point still holds that the *personally* offensive tone you saw fit to bring into this discussion that could've been perfectly civil was totally unnecessary.

So, whatever. With my tail between my legs, we'd best agree to disagree.

Updated On: 11/29/05 at 02:04 PM

[dmb_rent]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 2:14pm

Who's spiteful? This whole board started with people having shivers about some very talented people being in the movie. I think people should be very careful about what they say about people. My mind is completely open. I am open to the most talented persons being in the movie. If that was the OBC great, but if not, they shouldn't have been in the movie. But you know what, I will let you people be, you are all so wrapped up in a myth, its incredible. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I was merely trying to vent my disgust in some of the people who are so convinced of their own opinions. I don't disagree with anyone here saying that the OBC is talented, but maybe just maybe in 2005 there may be better people for these roles right now. Thats all.

You know, I really don't like or want to be that person that tells you your opinion is wrong....From the start I was telling you what you said had some validity to it...but, now I've since changed my mind. And I'm just going to come out and say it, and tell you whatever is going through your mind about this...guess what, you're wrong. lol. You want to know what is right? Here it is: You are the kind of person that needs star players to make a movie enjoyable for you. Sure, you're not going to admit that. But you want a bang for your buck. You want hot, fresh young stars to play the roles of the characters in Rent. And good for you! Just as long as you realize, that what you are saying, gives no respect to Jonathan or his family whatsoever.


Edit: I mean, just stop already. You pushed it when you tried to tell us how we have no faith in the show.

Updated On: 11/29/05 at 02:14 PM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 2:15pm

Opinions arent' "right" or "wrong." Isn't that the point of the term?

[rican732]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 2:18pm

Neil and Wilson were extraordinary, unbelievably great, so were Trey Ellett, Kenna Ramsey, Michael McElroy (AMAZING), Marcie Harriel, Sherie Rene Scott, Norbert Leo Butz, and Mark Jackson. And so many more. And I'm sure there were others and I'm sure there are others out there with the magic. I'm done. Goodbye and good luck.

[dmb_rent]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 2:31pm

Opinions arent' "right" or "wrong." Isn't that the point of the term?

Yeah but what he was saying was just wroooong. ::stamping feet::

lol...now it's time for me to seriously stop procrastinating and get to work on my film paper....about kung fu. how exciting.

[ajayspak2]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 2:38pm

hey Rican, Sherie Rene Scott was the worst thing that happened to Rent on Broadway. Now Kristin Lee Kelly was the ideal Maureen and the audience showed that appreciation, many hated Sherie for her one dimenasional and robotic performance of Maureen. Kristen Lee Kelly rocked the house and had a huge following and she should have been the one to take over for Idina, but she got her chance finally after Sherie left to take over the role. Kristen is by far one of the BEST Maureens that have taken the role.

[Violet Tree]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 2:54pm

I don't think people even realize that Anthony was hand chosen for Mark. His protege. He knows more about the show than anyone. I think it was a good choice. I too at first wanted the newer Broadway cast, but after seeing the film it was so much more real coming from people who had been there around Jonathan when he was alive. It to me is more special.

Updated On: 11/29/05 at 02:54 PM

[LariTheLoud]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 3:19pm

Anthony is Mark.

It's a fact that What You Own and Halloween, at the very least, were written with Anthony's voice in mind. Anthony has been with the show since its workshop days, and Jonathan Larson formed Mark according to what he saw in Anthony.

That's just going with Violet Tree's comment above. Otherwise, Rican, what the hell makes your opinion more 'right' over anyone else's?

[dmb_rent]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 4:01pm

That's just going with Violet Tree's comment above. Otherwise, Rican, what the hell makes your opinion more 'right' over anyone else's?

I don't think he knows what his opinion is.

[dmb_rent]

Posted: 11/29/05 at 4:04pm

test 1, 2, 3...

edit: wow, have i really made 164 posts in the past week? that's crazy. i love this forum! so glad i finally found it.

Updated On: 11/29/05 at 04:04 PM

[rican732]

Posted: 11/30/05 at 2:12am

Don't attack me because you don't agree with me. I have an opinion. I think its fairly clear to anyone who is willing to listen. Its clearly not your opinion.

As far as Sherie is concerned she was fantastic. She was playing a performance artist. She actually based her performance artist on the actual performance artist that Jonathon based the character on. Who by the way was a blond, who's art was commenting on the whole notion of the ditsy blond. They didn't go with a blond initially because Idina blew them away in her audition.

Sherie was amazing. She never got the credit she deserved.

[LariTheLoud]

Posted: 11/30/05 at 2:15am

Rican, I don't think it's that we're attacking you. It's that you have already attacked us. We're rebutting.

I'm having a flashback to art2 in this thread. *Cough*

Anyway, please take a step back and realize that you're insulting many devoted, intelligent fans in this thread. You have your opinion and we have ours. You are not more right than us. Stop getting so damn defensive. The end.