Josh Grisetti has talked to God? — Page 2

Yeah, but Paul condemns sexuality (and women) in general. Petrine thought, which is the branch more commonly associated with Catholicism, is more concerned with good works and noble acts; Pauline thought, more associated with Protestantism and Evangelicism, is more concerned with rules of faith and law.



Neither one officially "spoke for Jesus," and it's telling that they have a conflict and it's never really resolved which was right or wrong.



Of course, you don't have to believe any of that is divinely inspired, or believe that these men did the things they say they did. Hell, you can even go a few steps further and say these men literally did not exist at all! It's your prerogative, and God (the deity of your choice, or the absence thereof) bless America for allowing, even encouraging, these debates.

[Sorry for lying about not posting anymore.]

newintown, I agree with your perspective completely. I've heard believers express distaste for the theory of evolution; the thought that we evolved from other animals (and, going back far enough, microorganisms) seems base to them, and they'd rather see humans as the direct result of divine creation. I don't begrudge them that, but that doesn't ring true to me at all. I think the idea that our brains, eyes, ears, and all the rest were shaped by natural forces throughout billions of years of evolution is rather stirring, far more inspiring to me than the idea that someone wished us into existence like Samantha twitching her nose.

I can't think of anything that better argues for the Divine than evolution. Except perhaps the fact that this planet, at least, has creatures able to conceive of such a process!

(Just to be clear, I'm saying Darwin and the work of others like him bolster my faith rather than threaten it. But I'm still in the area of faith. I'm not arguing that Darwin or anyone else scientifically proves the existence of a deity, nor do they intend to do so.)

ETA my apology to kdogg. You just said the same thing, basically, and with greater lyricism than I.

Updated On: 9/30/16 at 03:21 PM

Glad you're still with us, SL.

I'm not so arrogant as to try to define your experience. And hallucination or miracle, does it really make a difference?