Let's Side Line GYPSY & MILLIE & HAIRSPRAY- Page 3

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 1:23pm

MasterLcZ,
I am willing to bet that a number of teh younger posters here are not aware of The Black Crook even though it is a VERY important milestone in teh history of musical theatre. Be careful, I am willing to bet that many here will ask about it and not look it for themselves.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 1:37pm

Master, I was at the opening night of THE BLACK CROOK! It was really something! I always wondered why there was not an OBCR of this monster hit. Yes, a revival is long overdue. BTW have you seen the DVD? It was recently released with commentary by the original cast and director!

[TheBalladeer]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 1:40pm

Billy,

You're just going to have to learn to ignore the IGNORANCE of some of the older posters on this board. They make it seem as if they know so much, and are so intelligent, yet when a younger intelligent person asks them a simple question, (which you are) they become very snide, arrogant, and rude. Honestly, do not let these posters get to you. There ARE others on this board willing to help you if they know the answer, without giving you attitude for no good reason. There is nothing wrong with asking a poster a question about something if you don't know the answer. How the hell else are you going to learn if you don't ask questions. Yes, you can go and do the research, but why should you have to do that, and probably still not get as good of an understanding, if you can ask others who supposedly know so much. And as for getting information from the internet...as long as it is FACTUAL, is not lazy, or a waste of time.

Anytime you have a question, you can ask me, and I will be willing to help you anytime you need it, if I can answer the question.

What some people on this board forget is that we ALL didn't know much about theatre at one point in our lives, and asked questions and were ignorant about certain things. But as we got older, and most likely, some other well-informed people informed us about things we didn't know the answer to. Instead of being rude to people who don't know, others should to to help inform them, and then the gap between those who don't know, and those who do know, will shrink. All this negativity due to the fact someone is either younger, or don't know as much as you do, is counterproductive to the arguements, and supposed conversations that the older ones doing all the negative complaining seem to want to have. Just my humble opinion.

Cheers,
The Balladeer

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 1:42pm

Balladeer, I am a relatively young one myself, 20, but i do get frustrated when some people can't try to look up things first. Make an attempt o find the information on your own. If you can't then ask.
research is a lost art.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 1:59pm

Broadwayguy2, I agreee with you. When someone posts "What is Mame about?" and is expecting someone to write a synopsis for them then not only are they lazy, but inconsiderate. There is so much information on the net to fill in those blanks and it is much easier for you to do that than to expect me or anyone to take the time to write one for them.

Balladeer, I agree with you, that people should ask questions but ones that allows someone to be able to give their personal take on something. So instead of asking "What is MAME about?" do a little research first then come back and ask "Who saw the original production? How was it? And how did Lucy ever get to do the film version?"

Get my point? I'm not being argumentative, just trying to steer people in the right direction.

[TheBalladeer]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 2:00pm

I'm sure a person is not going to solely rely on a response from someone on a Message Board if they were TRULY interested in a topic. The internet has a variety or resources for someone to find out about shows....if the show is more obscure, then maybe not - But I say all that to say this: If someone would take the time to answer a simple question for someone who asked, maybe that might spark a deeper interest in the subject. Also, I would find it much more interesting to hear information about a show from someone who has seen it, and might offer some sort of opinion on what they liked or didn't like about a particular show - rather than just read something very generic and plain and boring: Like the synopses on Musicals.net, or something.

But, yes there is nothing wrong in doing the research - but if you don't have the resources to do so, or would just like to hear/read more than just some objectiveless summary, then what's the harm in asking? And I am rather young too, 22 - but I really think that Billy is legitimate in being frustrated by the rudeness to him. If someone doesn't feel like posting him the answer, then they don't have to...but they shouldn't make him feel bad for asking questions. That is unnecessary.

Cheers,
The Balladeer

[BillyLawlor]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 2:44pm

Umm...first of allI didn't ask for a detailed synopsis. When I asked what Mame was about, BrdwayThtr responded:
Mame is a classic! It's about a boy who's parents die and he goes to live with his eccentric aunt. He goes off to college and she gets married, but her husband dies in an avalanche. Then he returns to New York to introduce his new fiancee to his aunt. They both discover she's a bitch, he finds someone new, they have a kid, and his aunt takes her new GREAT nephew under her wing.
That's not a very long or detailed synopsis, yet it was exactly what I was looking for. If I ask a question- you don't have to be the one to answer if you think the question is stupid or ignorant.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 2:53pm

Billy, you misunderstood me. I do not think your question was stupid or ignorant. I also feel that you are a very bright person, with a lot of interest in theatre and learning. So why not learn more about MAME than from that very simple synopsis. Do a yahoo search for MAME and see what comes up. It really only takes a couple of minutes and you will be surprised at how much is there.

Again, I do not feel there are any stupid questions, but if you really want to know, why not do it the easy way, and not wait for someone with the knowledge and the patience to respond to your post? That could take hours if not days.

Respectfully,

Auntie Sueleen

[etoile]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 3:07pm

Now if several of these comments are directed to me perhaps someone could point out where, at any point, I was rude. Because you don't want to read what I write, you don't appreciate the message, you don't like the opinion, then how is that rude? Do people know the definition of the word "rude" because it really seems here that it is tossed around with "amazing" frequency. Someone didn't ask about an opinion or feelings of the show. Someone asked the standard question, "What is Musical X about?"

Do you really help in anyone's developement if things are handed on a silver platter?

And to believe the veracity of any poster on a message board is just foolish.

Why the attempted dividing by age? I don't remember ever reading that 'how old are you" thread yet alone posting on it. Why assume I'm an "oldie"? I never stated my age. I may be 15, 19, 23, 33, or...gasp...93. But then why believe anything someone wrote because that comes back to my belief that to believe anything some unknown person writes on a message baord is just plain foolish. Those are the type of threads that serve no legitimate purpose other than to turn this into an "Us" verse "Them" message board. Oh my, did I just insult the person that started THAT thread? Was that rude of me? NO! I stated an opinion. An opinion that may not be too popular but since I'm not running for any political office popularity is not as important as stating my honest opinion.

[BwayTheatre11]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 3:21pm

That's the type of stuff that should be asked and willingly answered on a Broadway message board. It is not being lazy looking it up, it is lazy knowing the answer and not posting it!

[etoile]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 3:39pm

So BB11, you think that because someone knows an answer to something that there is a mandatory requirement to respond? Why must someone feel a compulsion to respond? This isn't Jeopardy, we're not playing for money, this isn't a contest.

Some people are of the belief that one truly only learns when one seeks things for themself. Not to answer does not constitute "lazy". At least by any definitive definition that I know of the word. Look at all the times a thread is viewed and not responded to. Perhaps one can read a thread and still feel themselves to be a disinterested party.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 3:41pm

perhaps the one who is lazy is the one posting and expecting everyone else to give out their knowledge or look up the info for them instead of doing it for themself??

[BwayTheatre11]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 3:43pm

Well, than why start a thread on the show if you are not willing to chat about it?

[Slash]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 3:47pm

Teacher of Theatre, please refrain from posting synopses of shows you clearly do not understand. In "A Little Night Music," the ENTIRE plot of the show hinges on the fact that Desiree and Frederik NEVER got married. One was always "tearing around" while the other "couldn't move" and so forth.
Since you are all so focused on the fact that "Send in the Clowns" was Sondheim's only 'hit,' you'd think the lyrics would clue you into the most basic plot point. Updated On: 8/25/03 at 03:47 PM

[etoile]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 4:01pm

Oh, Broadwayguy2, I am so proud of you. All these post from you and not one sexual reference in any of them. It shows another dimension to you. I think some subjects are too important to take lightly. And learning to be a self sufficient individual is one of those subjects.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 4:05pm

most of my sexually charged comments serves as nothing more than a laugh getter. Believe me, if I was TRUELY that horny, I would not have suffient blood flow to my brain.

Being self sufficient is important. Being able to look things up on your own is an important skill to have.

[sambaflora]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 4:19pm

Cheers to you Broadwayguy + Etoile.

It seems to me if you are truly passionate about something that you will not feel compelled to rely on others to extend your pursuit of it.

As far as an earlier post regarding lack of resources, I was raised in the cultural wastelands of Southeast Alabama yet we had this really nifty place called a library. Not only could I look through Broadway yearbooks giving a blow by blow of the season's theatre scene...but this information could be cross-referenced to other resource books, periodicals, broadway cast recordings, and sometimes even film....Most of which could be taken home for FREE for an entire month.

The internet is a valuable though limited resource. Relying strictly on what can gather from a message board IS laziness.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 4:24pm

same here. grew up in central texas - rathole. :The Best Plays" series, other annual publications, cast albums.... there is actually a lot you can find if you make the effort.

I had to travel an hour and a half to see tours. My parents didn't like it. I had other people who took me. In elemenary school, I had a teacher who used to take me to see tours all the time.

[DofB5]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 7:29pm

I still thank you TOT for giving me some info on the show. It's a lot more then I knew before. I'd gladly listen to what you have to say about it as well, Slash.

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[BillyLawlor]

Posted: 8/25/03 at 11:23pm

Okay- I'm sorry everyone. I didn't mean to start a "rumble on the message boards". I won't ever ask what any show is about ever again. I promise. I'm sure that's what you all wanna hear. The absolute truth is- I'm sick of this sh*t already, and its being turned into World War 3. I didn't know that this one question would create such trouble among everyone. Apparently everyone has a big problem with me asking for a short synopsis. The bottom line is- You're all right. I'm wrong. Is everyone happy? Are we done now?